A terror plot is exposed by the policies many American liberals oppose

[DngrMse]

First, direct your attention to the word 'liberals' in the title of this thread. Next, contemplate on the meaning of the adjacent word, "oppose". Lastly, consider a world where these bleating liberals have their way. How would they have prevented this planned attack? These libs are long on blame, short on solution, and could'nt even bring themselves to aknowledge the current administration's efforts, (and seeming success), in stopping this latest threat before anyone was killed.

Americans went to work yesterday to news of another astonishing terror plot against U.S. airlines, only this time the response was grateful relief. British authorities had busted the "very sophisticated" plan "to commit mass murder" and arrested 20-plus British-Pakistani suspects. As we approach the fifth anniversary of 9/11 without another major attack on U.S. soil, now is the right moment to consider the policies that have protected us--and those in public life who have fought those policies nearly every step of the way.emphasis mine

And what do they offer up in the way of alternatives to these very policies that have met with a decided measure of success, (while at the same time have caused no harm to anyone)? Anything? Anything at all?

For that matter, we don't recall most advocates of a narrowly "focused" war on terror having many kind words for the Patriot Act, which broke down what in the 1990s was a crippling "wall" of separation between our own intelligence and law-enforcement agencies. Senator Reid was "focused" enough on this issue to brag, prematurely as it turned out, that he had "killed" its reauthorization.

That's pretty much the extent of their solutions....(attempt to) kill that which works, claim victory, and celebrate by staging some nice photo ops with Michael Moore, and/or Cindy Sheehan. Call it day, and hope things just work themselves out.

It's not, to them, about national security, or prosecuting a war foisted on us by our enemies, it's about demonizing Bush, and regaining the power and prestige they lost.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110008785

[GROFF200]

Yes, the terror plot is foiled and now people can't bring any liquids on a plane whatsoever.
If everytime a terrorist plot is uncovered the reaction is to punish everyone with further restrictions, then in my opinion we have already lost the war.
I think my opinon differs from both major political parties. All of these terrorists plots begin in one part of the world, with a group of people that adhere to a specific religion. Let's stop restricting the freedoms of everybody, and put the restrictions where they belong for a change.

[orangikan]

Get real! The issue with most of those who "oppose" these methods has nothing to do with a blanket opposition but with the refusal of the govt. to follow the rules already set in place, which have proven to work, or to limit access to data that has not been shown to come from "potentially dangerous" sources. No-one wants to limit a govt. going after the bad guys, but there have to be laws to be followed to protect the innocent.

[boedicca]

I would really love to read a proposal from The Lefties as to what measures they would put in place to address terrorism and protect national & economic security. Instead of just whinging about what the BA is doing - what would they do instead?

Just saying Stuff SUX is not an effective policy position.

[BooRadley]

Is this just another rightwinger making stuff up to bash "liberals" with, or can you tell us which policies that were opposed by "liberals" were critical to busting this plot?

I'm guessing the former.

[DngrMse]

Originally Posted by boedicca

I would really love to read a proposal from The Lefties as to what measures they would put in place to address terrorism and protect national & economic security. Instead of just whinging about what the BA is doing - what would they do instead?

Just saying Stuff SUX is not an effective policy position.

We already know what their plan(s) of action look like. We went through eight years of it under Clinton, (and they've said nothing in the intervening 7 years that suggest they've got some new ideas)....eight years that saw two terror attacks on U.S. soil succeed, and a third prevented only through complete dumb luck, (Hamzi, and his plan to blow up planes over the pacific....his apartment in Manila caught fire, and the cops found the plans on his computer). The dem position on this is "do nothing, hope for the best, and blame republicans when bad things happen".

[Feenix566]

Originally Posted by DngrMse

It's not, to them, about national security, or prosecuting a war foisted on us by our enemies, it's about demonizing Bush, and regaining the power and prestige they lost.

I suppose a love for individual liberty has nothing to do with it, eh?

[DngrMse]

Originally Posted by Feenix566

I suppose a love for individual liberty has nothing to do with it, eh?

Nothing at all. Unless you'd care to explain how your personal liberties have been taken away by the BA? And how exactly does a "love for individual liberty" justify sitting on ones hands, whilst terror thugs detonate 2 pounds of gelignite under seat 36F, and send 300 'liberty loving' innocents to their deaths?

Let me ask you this, if you had the option of flying on an airline free of all the 'liberty quashing' policies of the BA, would you do so?

[BooRadley]

So, anyway, which of the BA's policies that the "liberals" have attacked because they "hate" Bush were instrumental in foiling this plot? You said something about that, but I don't see anything behind it. It's like a headline with no story.

[SivVulk]

Originally Posted by DngrMse

First, direct your attention to the word 'liberals' in the title of this thread. Next, contemplate on the meaning of the adjacent word, "oppose". Lastly, consider a world where these bleating liberals have their way. How would they have prevented this planned attack? These libs are long on blame, short on solution, and could'nt even bring themselves to aknowledge the current administration's efforts, (and seeming success), in stopping this latest threat before anyone was killed.

I love it.. a major terrorist plot is foiled and your main concern is to use this and throw it in the faces of those who lean towards the left wing and argue it's predominantly our fault. In your shallow mind this attempted terrorist attack somehow legitimizes the implentation of all the policies and plans put into place by this latest American administration..

Can't we just forget about god darn politics for a second and share a collective sigh of relief that so far this threat has been neutralized and thousands of lives have been saved... And before you claim success by this administration don't forget that there is still a possibility that these terrorists had a back up plan... It sickens me to what degree the US is caught up in the war of words between democrats and republicans that they lose sight of the bigger picture..


And you talk about regaining prestige ? I'd really fancy seeing Bush regain at least 50% approval rating.. but you know what that just isn't gonna happen

[DngrMse]

Originally Posted by SivVulk

I love it.. a major terrorist plot is foiled and your main concern is to use this and throw it in the faces of those who lean towards the left wing and argue it's predominantly our fault. In your shallow mind this attempted terrorist attack somehow legitimizes the implentation of all the policies and plans put into place by this latest American administration..

Can't we just forget about god darn politics for a second and share a collective sigh of relief that so far this threat has been neutralized and thousands of lives have been saved... And before you claim success by this administration don't forget that there is still a possibility that these terrorists had a back up plan... It sickens me to what degree the US is caught up in the war of words between democrats and republicans that they lose sight of the bigger picture..


And you talk about regaining prestige ? I'd really fancy seeing Bush regain at least 50% approval rating.. but you know what that just isn't gonna happen

I find it rather hypocritical of you to whine about injecting politics into this debate, only to close your diatribe by injecting politics into this debate.

[cnredd]

Originally Posted by BooRadley

So, anyway, which of the BA's policies that the "liberals" have attacked because they "hate" Bush were instrumental in foiling this plot? You said something about that, but I don't see anything behind it. It's like a headline with no story.

P_tr__t _ct

Would you like to buy a vowel?

[DngrMse]

Originally Posted by cnredd

P_tr__t _ct

Would you like to buy a vowel?

Lol.

[SivVulk]

Originally Posted by DngrMse

I find it rather hypocritical of you to whine about injecting politics into this debate, only to close your diatribe by injecting politics into this debate.

hey you started with the political banter so as far as i'm concerned this topic turned political right from the get go. If you didn't want a political reaction then you should not have started off so partisan..

[DngrMse]

Originally Posted by SivVulk

hey you started with the political banter so as far as i'm concerned this topic turned political right from the get go. If you didn't want a political reaction then you should not have started off so partisan..

Allow me to repeat myself: I find it rather hypocritical of you to whine about injecting politics into this debate, only to close your diatribe by injecting politics into this debate.

[BooRadley]

Originally Posted by cnredd

P_tr__t _ct

Would you like to buy a vowel?

And, as I asked before, are you making this up, or do you have some reason to believe that the P_tr__t _ct provisions that the "liberals" opposed were fundimental in making these arrests in London?

Why can't either of you a_swe_ the q_est_o_?

[veracity00]

Have any mug shots of these terrorist conspirators been shown? God, I hope this doesn't become like the 9/11 hijackers. Wrong pics, wrong people, stuff like that.

[SivVulk]

Originally Posted by DngrMse

Allow me to repeat myself: I find it rather hypocritical of you to whine about injecting politics into this debate, only to close your diatribe by injecting politics into this debate.

personally i find it hypocritical of you to blame liberals and call us the troublemakers when really the hatred that much of the world feels towards the United States is in fact due to the actions taken by this current administration. The degree to which the US is hated has increased dramatically since Bush took office. Even your "ally" Lebanon is beginning to dislike your government.

Had this administration not been in office all these years that terrorist attempt would have most likely never been created..

Allow me to repeat myself politics was brought into this thread by you, whether i choose to inject my political views in this thread or not doesn't change anything... If i hadn't replied at all this would still be a very political thread the damage had already been done...

[Java_man]

The british authorities were tipped-off to the plot.

No one that I know of is opposed to terror plots being tipped off

There is no evidence the plotters even stepped foot in america

the OP is a non sequitur

[KanuckiStang]

Originally Posted by Java_man

The british authorities were tipped off the plot.

Yep:

"The original information about the plan came from the Muslim community in Britain, according to a British intelligence official."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe...lot/index.html

No one that I know of is opposed to terror plots being tipped off

Yep.

the OP is a non sequitur

Yep.