Tests Confirm Sarin in Iraqi Artillery Shell

[Banky]

Tuesday, May 18, 2004
By Liza Porteus
NEW YORK — Tests on an artillery shell that blew up in Iraq on Saturday confirm that it did contain an estimated three or four liters of the deadly nerve agent sarin (search), Defense Department officials told Fox News Tuesday.



The artillery shell was being used as an improvised roadside bomb, the U.S. military said Monday. The 155-mm shell exploded before it could be rendered inoperable, and two U.S. soldiers were treated for minor exposure to the nerve agent.

Three liters is about three-quarters of a gallon; four liters is a little more than a gallon.

"A little drop on your skin will kill you" in the binary form, said Ret. Air Force Col. Randall Larsen, founder of Homeland Security Associates. "So for those in immediate proximity, three liters is a lot," but he added that from a military standpoint, a barrage of shells with that much sarin in them would more likely be used as a weapon than one single shell.




THIS IS AN EXCERPT.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html

[Banky]

This is proof.

Saddam was supposed to have destroyed all waepons.

Here is one of the first, found under the worst circumstances.

If the Liberals and Democrats and PEACE NAZIS had their way, he would still be making more of these.

Thanks to them, most of these weapons are probably moved into Syria, or, maybe thankfully due to the war, BURIED in the sand.

Either way, this PROVES the US WAS RIGHT!!

[RyanEbelhar]

Washington-AP -- Don't jump to any conclusions just yet. That warning comes from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, after the U-S military in Iraq announced that a roadside bomb containing sarin nerve gas had exploded near a U-S military convoy.

Rumsfeld told a Washington, D-C audience that the "field test" showing the presence of sarin may not be accurate. He says more analysis needs to be done -- and that it may take some time to find out just what the chemical was.

http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp...4&nav=0oa8AfMQ

[Banky]

Originally posted by RyanEbelhar
Washington-AP -- Don't jump to any conclusions just yet. That warning comes from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, after the U-S military in Iraq announced that a roadside bomb containing sarin nerve gas had exploded near a U-S military convoy.

Rumsfeld told a Washington, D-C audience that the "field test" showing the presence of sarin may not be accurate. He says more analysis needs to be done -- and that it may take some time to find out just what the chemical was.

http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp...4&nav=0oa8AfMQ

Sorry, right on the FRONT PAGE

SARIN CONFIRMED
http://www.foxnews.com/

[Patrician]

This is proof. Bush was right, the left was DEAD wrong. The war was 100% justified.

[h2g2Fan]

Originally posted by contra
This is proof. Bush was right, the left was DEAD wrong. The war was 100% justified.

so you're saying that this one weapon justifies several hundred billion dollars and hundreds of american lives? oooooooo kkkkkkk

[Banky]

Originally posted by h2g2Fan

so you're saying that this one weapon justifies several hundred billion dollars and hundreds of american lives? oooooooo kkkkkkk

yes.

Since it proves we are right.

I mean, where is your outrage that France stole money ffrom the food for oil programme? That Germany stole money for the food for oil programme?

And since the latest threat is Al-Queda using chemical weapons, where do you think they go them?

From Saddam, thanks to liberals.

[JAT]

I wonder when Saddam planned to fire this artillery shell at the U.S.

[Banky]

Originally posted by JAT
I wonder when Saddam planned to fire this artillery shell at the U.S.

Anywhere he can get it to.

Or, to try to take Kuwait again, or to Kill Kurds, or to Kill Iranians again like he used Chemical weapons on before, too.

And since these weapons can be made into other than artillery rounds, and you need a program to do that, And Saddam had just that and even David Kaye said so in his report, we can all stop beating the BUSH LIED DRUM, because as we all know now...

These wepons being found now prove SADDAM LIED, BUSH AS RIGHT

get over it.

[Banky]

Saddam Had WMDs; The Left Couldn't Care Less

By Frank J Gaffney Jr.
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 19, 2004

One could be forgiven for thinking that the detonation of two "improvised explosive devices" equipped with toxic chemical agents would be seen as confirmation that there are still Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) in Iraq. These events might even be seen as rebuttals to those who have derided the Bush administration for its prior inability to substantiate pre-war claims that such weapons in Saddam’s hands constituted an intolerable threat to the United States.

Unfortunately, such thinking fails to appreciate a stand-by of Washington Beltway politics: "moving the goalposts." Whenever the opposing team comes close to proving its point, one simply relocates the end zone to a point out of reach.

Rarely has this phenomenon been more in evidence than with respect to Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction. Practically everyone – members of the Coalition’s intelligence services, the United Nations, even the French, Germans and Russians – recognized that, at one time, Saddam had chemical and biological weapons and a program for building nuclear devices. Since he never satisfactorily accounted for the complete destruction of the stocks of WMDs, like those he previously used in lethal attacks on Iran and his own Kurds, the only reasonable conclusion was that they continued to exist in some form, in unknown quantity.

To prove the point, one would seem to need only to have found a few chemical and/or biological weapons. Well, that would appear to have been the incontrovertible upshot of the two recent episodes, involving sarin and mustard gas weapons. Yet the goal-post-movers’ response has been that these do not – in and of themselves – confirm the claims that Saddam still had stockpiles of these sorts of WMDs.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=13438

[KanuckiStang]

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle...7bee36977.html

The age of this device is still not known and may never be. Given that the detonation of a 155-mm shell allegedly containing several liters of the stuff did not produce serious injury to those nearby, and given the sarin can kill if a single drop gets on ones skin, one is naturally led to believe that the shell was a relic, a left-over not fired during the Iran/Iraq war or simply forgotten. Much like the "blister agent" shells found by Danish soldiers in January rotting in the sand.

And again, sarin is not a particularly tricky substance to make as the Japan subway gas attack by a religious cult a number of years ago shows. In the year since the invasion, who knows what's been cooking in mountain cave hideouts by AQ and other chemists?

Sorry Banky, this does not prove "the US was right". Even the military and US government aren't reaching that far out on their limb. At most, with what is known right now, it might prove that there may be old shells lying about, essentially forgotten leftovers from 15 or 20 years ago that the destablization of Iraq has handed to those willing to dig for them. Or, more chillingly, it might prove that AQ chemists are close to elevating their game a few notches and are using their vast new training camp to try out some prototype wares.

It does not, however, prove that Bush et al were right in their bellicose declarations, sans intel, that Saddam had thousands of tons of this that and the other, that Saddam was 45-minutes from deloying, that Saddam posed an immediate/imminent/grave (ad nausium) threat to the United States proper.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

yes.

Since it proves we are right.

Suppose Bush had told you, before the war, that the reason was that Saddam had 1 or 2 ancient shelles containing remnants of nerve gas.

This find would have been proof he was right, but would the allegation have gained your support for that war?

[Banky]

Originally posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox


Suppose Bush had told you, before the war, that the reason was that Saddam had 1 or 2 ancient shelles containing remnants of nerve gas.

This find would have been proof he was right, but would the allegation have gained your support for that war?

Zaph, you, and the rest of Europe was wrong.

Face it and Grow.