Jon Fox - Parenting and Betrayal

[SpabSFW]

http://www.citizensagainsthate.com/h...rder=0&thold=0

Jon Fox is the father of three children who he claims to have been raising alone since 1992. His “fatherhood” has not gone well and he has run afoul of the legal system on more than one occasion...
where he relocated to assist his beloved Pontifex Maximus, Matt Hale, in the establishment of a “White Homeland” Jon claims that his life has been made miserable by “social workers and anti-white ****** cops. But then again, that is because my children are trained martial artists and kick the $hit out of the 'coloreds' in the 'hood'.”

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As a “good Creator” Jon Fox has been raising his children to be “holy” in the context of “Creativity.” And he explains:

“I teach my children to have a zero tolerance for ******s and any other colored scum, including zionist *****s and wiggers. The rules are simple.”

To say that Jon Fox might have a problem in a society which does not share his values would certainly be an understatement. To say that the children of Jon Fox will have major adjustment and assimilation problems into a society which will scorn and reject them is a surety. ...In August of 2001, Jon Fox gives us this revelation into his parenting ability:

“I don't think my kids are violent, they don't go around bullying or vandalizing, but they do have a reputation for kicking a$$ on the sambos and julios in their school and neighborhood. My son has worn out his "LOYALTY SS" shirt at school now he wears the "DOESN'T PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS" (picture of a rottweiller and stars and bars), our school doesn't discriminate against the stars and bars (yet), but when ever a new Marxist[sic] trained teacher comes to work they try to get him to remove this T-shirt, after he gets done telling them to bull their head out of their a$$, they call me and I show up in my "TOMMY HELLRAISER" T-shirt and they know not to start in on me and their ******/julio students snifle[sic] rights.”

Two years later, however, Jon Fox may be rethinking his approach to “Daddyhood.” With the arrest of Matt Hale and the total dishevelment of the Creativity Movement, Jon Fox is witnessing a meltdown of another kind. His children have become the casualties of his “good fight.”

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In an early email interview, Rev. Brian J. Moudry, head of the Joliet, Illinois Creator group, told me in response to the question, “Are you surprised that Jon Fox would turn State’s Evidence?”

“Very! I do not know all the circumstances leading up to Jon’s testimony, but I speculate the well being of his children was at stake. I don’t think he would simply sell out. However I am in no way condoning his actions.”

We would soon learn that his children certainly did play into his decision – and in a devastating way. ...Jon Fox unveiled the price that has been paid by his children for his involvement with the “church.”

According to Jon Fox, one of Matt Hale’s White Beret’s, 22 year old Scott Gulbranson, raped his 13 year old daughter on several occasions and impregnated her. He also claims that Scott beat her and put her in the hospital a couple of weeks after the baby girl was born. Additionally, Jon asserted that the police would not allow him to file charges against Gulbranson. It seems, according to Fox, that Scott, along with police, broke into his residence and stole several letters that had been written to Fox by Matt Hale. He claims that these were letters instructing him how to testify when called to court. According to Fox, it is the presentation of these letters to the authorities that has kept Gulbranson out of the clutches of the police.

Additionally, Fox claims that his son was arrested at the age of 13 on false charges and placed into an adult detention center. He is reportedly still incarcerated serving a six-month sentence which, according to Jon, was handed down on February 26, 2002.

Apparently, Jon Fox reevaluated his “stand-by-your-leader” mode of operations once the letters had surfaced. He reflected upon the lack of support that he had been given for his children by those in the “Movement.”

“Out of ALL the people I know, who also know my children, NO ONE ever stepped forward to help in our dire straights, even though promises were made - NA, AN, CI, KKK, NS, Creators - ALL of you let down 3 children who were better than all of you put together. And you want me to continue to 'stand by my leader' , to lie for him, to go to jail for him and the likes of you all, I may be stupid, but I am not crazy.

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In an email exchange between us, Fox has told me:

“Matt is guilty and should rot in jail longer than Rudolph Hess.”

Well, yes…it does look more and more like Matt Hale is guilty on many counts. As the government continues to build its case before the court date of November 5, this reporter anxiously awaits the others who are sure to come forth. There is more, however, that Matt Hale is guilty of. Soliciting a murder, obstruction of justice, complicity in the Benjamin Smith killing spree are all enough to put him away for the rest of his life. But, what of the lives he has left in shambles? What about the young minds that have been irrevocably damaged? What of the children whose parents continue to raise them in the ideology of hate and racism that is endemic to Hale’s “Creativity?” What about the children who are being raised by the tenet’s of the “White Man’s Bible” and who will be rendered incapable of functioning in American society? Matt Hale has much more to be held accountable for as do the other leaders in this so-called “movement.”

Regardless of how much you believe the tale of Creator Fox, one truism cannot be disputed. Children steeped in hate are abused. They share the same characteristics of those young who have been raped and battered. Their innocence has been stolen from them and their very essence of purity has been tainted. Their minds and their souls have been violated. In the last message I received from Jon Fox, he told the truth, unequivocally:

“My children have endured more than anyone could possibly know. I did not tell on Matt for revenge as some would put it because of the actions of his 'groupies'. I told what I know, because people like Matt should not get away with what they do in life and have others pay the price.”

[Smashing Young Man]

Jesus H. Christ.

[Spencer]

Jon Fox is the father of three children who he claims to have been raising alone since 1992. His “fatherhood” has not gone well and he has run afoul of the legal system on more than one occasion...

You do understand that this is bias and there is no way to substantiate this information?

"In an email exchange between us, Fox has told me:"

"In the last message I received from Jon Fox, he told the truth, unequivocally:"

"In an early email interview, Rev. Brian J. Moudry, head of the Joliet, Illinois Creator group, told me in response to the question"

You expect any rational person to simply accept the words of a bias, militant, left-wing, "anti-racist" group that the last time I checked only targetted CAUCASIAN racial groups as absolute truth?

Fallacy: Appeal to Misleading Authority

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/authorit.html

The authority is an expert, but is not disinterested. That is, the expert is biased towards one side of the issue, and his opinion is thereby untrustworthy.

For example, suppose that a medical scientist testifies that ambient cigarette smoke does not pose a hazard to the health of non-smokers exposed to it. Suppose, further, that it turns out that the scientist is an employee of a cigarette company. Clearly, the scientist has a powerful bias in favor of the position that he is taking which calls into question his objectivity.

There is an old saying: "A doctor who treats himself has a fool for a patient," and a similar version for attorneys: "A lawyer who defends himself has a fool for a client." Why should these be true if the doctor or lawyer is an expert on medicine or the law? The answer is that we are all biased in our own causes. A physician who tries to diagnose his own illness is more likely to make a mistake out of wishful thinking, or out of fear, than another physician would be.

[302Riz]

How much more of this do we have to endure? Start one thread of the WCTOC and keep it there.

[Spencer]

How much more of this do we have to endure? Start one thread of the WCTOC and keep it there.

I would have ignored her to begin with but if I did not she would have flooded the forums with even more WCOTC threads.

I do apologise for all of this. I will create one WCOTC thread in "Big Debates" and hope she can get her jollies by limiting her threads to that area.

[302Riz]

Originally posted by Spencer


I would have ignored her to begin with but if I did not she would have flooded the forums with even more WCOTC threads.

I do apologise for all of this. I will create one WCOTC thread in "Big Debates" and hope she can get her jollies by limiting her threads to that area.

Thank you

[Ironweed]

According to Jon Fox, one of Matt Hale’s White Beret’s, 22 year old Scott Gulbranson, raped his 13 year old daughter on several occasions and impregnated her. He also claims that Scott beat her and put her in the hospital a couple of weeks after the baby girl was born.

Am I reading that right? If so, how the hell does a 22 year old even have a 13 year old child? From the context it sound like its his natural daughter. He was eight or nine and potent? Whoa.

[Spencer]

Am I reading that right? If so, how the hell does a 22 year old even have a 13 year old child?

Former Creator Turned States' Evidence After Being Arrested For Rape

http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=6140

Matt's trusted confidant - Rev Scott Gulbranson - cut a deal to get out of multiple rape charges in 3 states, yes Scott (22) raped a 13 year old child (my daughter, who gave birth to their daughter).

[Kyle Gridley]

Hey Spab, why are you reposting all of this old news? I mean, it's great that you've rediscovered your Creator fetish, but we've talked about all this before.

You're with Criminal on the whole prison reform thing, right? Why don't we talk about how Matt Hale has been treated while in prison? Or David Duke, Ernst Zundel, Chester Doles or any other racialists who have been rounded up by the law during the last couple of years? If you want something to be shocked about, that would be it.

[Spencer]

Hey Spab, why are you reposting all of this old news? I mean, it's great that you've rediscovered your Creator fetish, but we've talked about all this before.

Maybe, she cannot let go? I was told by an old associate that she once fell in love with Matt Hale and simply put he turned her down. After this she developed an intense hatred of him and the WCOTC and dedicated herself to a systematic harassment and hate campaign against him and the WCOTC.

Granted, this was told to me by a third party and is hearsay coming from me. However, she has demonstrated an attraction to people who are radical in nature, she once was a poster on the Stormfront forum, she has demonstrated that she is vengeful and seems to have some deep seated personal grudge against Mr. Hale.

Maybe this is her reason for going on about this topic? Assuming the claims made to me were true of course.

[Kyle Gridley]

You know, that makes a good bit of sense....

[Spencer]

You know, that makes a good bit of sense....

I think so. That would explain her personal emotional vendetta against Mr. Hale and would not be out of the ordinary for her character.

[Kyle Gridley]

Add to that her almost maternal love of the rainbow-haired ARA and the case is even stronger.

[Spencer]

Add to that her almost maternal love of the rainbow-haired ARA and the case is even stronger.

She has made it a point to align herself with every group that is dedicated to maligning Hale on every level. Talk about hell hath no furry like a woman scorned.

[SpabSFW]

Originally posted by Kyle Gridley
Hey Spab, why are you reposting all of this old news? I mean, it's great that you've rediscovered your Creator fetish, but we've talked about all this before.

It's news to me.

I tracked Frank's Overthrow link which linked to Stormfront which linked to this:

Prosecutors reveal witness in plot to kill federal judge

Federal prosecutors on Tuesday revealed they have another witness, in addition to a paid government informant, who will testify that the racist reverend Matt Hale asked to have a federal judge killed.

In a possible boost for their case, prosecutors wrote in a motion that a former confidant of Hale's and a leader in his racist church will testify that Hale asked him in December 2002 if he would kill U.S. District Judge Joan Lefkow or knew someone who would. Jon Fox declined Hale's request and said he could not find "a lone wolf" to carry out the killing.

Hale told Fox, a leader of Hale's group in Illinois, that he wanted the opposing attorneys in the civil case killed and the church of their client burned down, prosecutors allege.

Fox will testify how Hale confided in him about the 1999 racist shooting spree of church member Ben Smith, who killed two people and injured nine, prosecutors said. Based on those statements, "Hale had reasons to suspect Smith would engage in a deadly shooting spree in advance of Smith's actions," according to the government filing.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-hale22.html


You, Frank and dhm can call me a terrorist all you want, but anyone with a brain knows which ones of you are really terrorists. People who identify with that Creators? Or some housewife who doesn't approve of them and posts against them.

Do you think everyone is as much of a moron as neonazis?

Whoops! I forgot. You DO think that, because all our mindz are controlled by the evil Jews!!!

[quote]Originally posted by Kyle Gridley

Originally posted by Kyle Gridley
You're with Criminal on the whole prison reform thing, right? Why don't we talk about how Matt Hale has been treated while in prison? Or David Duke, Ernst Zundel, Chester Doles or any other racialists who have been rounded up by the law during the last couple of years? If you want something to be shocked about, that would be it.

It's nice to know our security people and police are doing their job.

Thanks guyz!

[Red]

Spab & Spencer. enough of your personal problems with each other being posted all over the board. take it to email/pm or go find another board. if this keeps up, warnings will be given out and threads will be closed.