Soldiers beware

[FaDeThEBuTcHeR]

Still waiting for Sulla, kOnTrA, George Will, Bill Krystal, Jonah Goldberg, the fat ass Rush Limbaugh, the armchair generals, and all the rest of the Chickenhawks and Neocons to sign up for military service.

Posted: January 28, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2003 David H. Hackworth


In his State of the Union address, President Bush is expected to give yet another strong warning to Iraq, while Axis of Evil member North Korea continued threatening the objects of its dissatisfaction as well. But on Feb. 12, an army of scarred and ornery warriors will once again be walking the walk instead of talking the talk, invading this nation's capital for real. And they won't be Saddam's thugs or Kim's crazies – but true-grit American heroes protesting the raw deal they've gotten from dishonest politicians with short and shifty memories.

Barely a month before Bush's Missiles of March will more than likely thump Iraq, thousands of World War II and Korean War vets – all more than 70 years of age – will travel by train, bus, plane, car, horseback, wheelchair and shoe leather to stand tall together in front of the Supreme Court while they tell the nation how the capital gang has hung them out to die on promised lifetime health benefits for retired vets.

Their skipper – leading the class-action lawsuit – is Medal of Honor recipient turned Florida lawyer Col. George Day, now flying with a briefcase full of hard facts instead of the jet fighter he piloted over Vietnam. Although the feisty three-war vet has been battling this case for years, only now, after much shameful government double talk, backpedaling and welshing, is the case finally going before the highest court of our land.

Their story is as old as war and peace: how promises were conveniently forgotten or baldly broken; how the Justice Department has cynically used stonewalling and other slippery delaying tactics, knowing full well that these senior citizens are dying daily – which statistics show will save the feds big bucks if and when the liars lose.

Bush clearly stated during his campaign for the presidency and again after his boots hit the Oval Office that the nation must keep faith with our vets and that vows made by our government must be honored. But despite all the polished political words, the promised medical support is still AWOL.

Navy vet Jerry Bell says: "This is our last chance to show how we feel about being betrayed. When warriors are treated in such a shameful manner, both the fabric of our country and its military institution are in question."

Billboards around Washington are delivering that same message with the hard thud of a 155 mm barrage: "WWII/KOREA RETIREES FIGHT TO RECOVER STOLEN MEDICAL CARE. 'COURT SAYS THEFT IS OK.' WHO IS RIGHT, WARRIORS OR GOVT?"

Despite George Washington's wise warning, "The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional to how they perceive the veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation," American vets from our Civil War to Desert Storm have been consistently treated like orphans.

Most recently, more than 161,000 Desert Storm vets have been disabled, and almost 10,000 have died from Gulf War Illness. During the near-decade they spent pleading for help, in pain and dying, their ingrate government kept insisting that their wounds – now proven to be caused by U.S.-destroyed Iraqi chemical munitions and an assortment of other killer cocktails such as oil-fire fumes, untested inoculations and local bugs that they weren't protected against – were "all in their heads."

Now Bush and his war hawks – who almost to a man dodged service in the Vietnam War, just like the majority of our members of Congress – are again sending warriors to employ the military solution in the Gulf at even greater risk, since the Pentagon has just admitted the bio/chem suits our attacking troops will wear are good only for bunker duty. There's already a buzz of putting plans in place for bulldozers to mass-bury our sons and daughters who fall from germs. Not that this scenario would trouble the dedicated folks in Veterans Affairs. You know, no messy claims or protesters to worry about down the track.

Consider the pattern of betrayal: We rebuild Afghanistan but don't take care of our heroes, or spend the bucks on the right bio/chem suits to protect our troops.

It seems that "Lest We Forget" is no longer the American way. Now it's "Use 'em, abuse 'em and lose 'em."

[Spießer]

Originally posted by FaDeThEBuTcHeR
Still waiting for Sulla, kOnTrA, George Will, Bill Krystal, Jonah Goldberg, the fat ass Rush Limbaugh, the armchair generals, and all the rest of the Chickenhawks and Neocons to sign up for military service.

Not going to happen.
I learned this in the Army myself. People like that wouldn't survive in the service. The Army crushes people like that down, you aren't allowed to question orders and think for yourself. You do what you are told. Somehow, Kontra and Sulla seem that they wouldn't survive in that situation. If they do survive, they will be molded into a person totally different.

[FaDeThEBuTcHeR]

Switzerland has an army?

[Spießer]

Originally posted by FaDeThEBuTcHeR
Switzerland has an army?

Ofcourse we do.
Army, Airforce, and Frontier/Border guards and then Fortification Guards.
Everyone 15-49 is eligable for Militia Service.

[FaDeThEBuTcHeR]

Switzerland is such a great country. I am sorry about all the damn "refugees" you guys are getting lately. I think you should put an end to that before you turn out like the UK, and if I recall you guys came very close to doing just that recently.

[Spießer]

We are a direct democracy.
And that vote lost by 2,754 votes out of more than 2 million.
Guess which way I voted
It wont be long till the SVP (swiss people's party) wins enough support to pass the right laws.

[Frank]

Not going to happen. I learned this in the Army myself. People like that wouldn't survive in the service. The Army crushes people like that down, you aren't allowed to question orders and think for yourself. You do what you are told. Somehow, Kontra and Sulla seem that they wouldn't survive in that situation. If they do survive, they will be molded into a person totally different.

Those who talk the loudest supporting their nation going to war in the name of human rights are usually the last to actually want to enlist and fight for it.

[RedLine99]

Originally posted by Frank


Those who talk the loudest supporting their nation going to war in the name of human rights are usually the last to actually want to enlist and fight for it.

Either that or wind up in Canada

[Frank]

Either that or wind up in Canada

Sad but true.

[Spießer]

Originally posted by Spießer
It wont be long till the SVP (swiss people's party) wins enough support to pass the right laws.

Incase you are wondering SVP = Schweizerischen Volkspartei
and yes, that is my party. Sorry if Swiss politics aren't as interesting as the American 2 party system

[Sulla the Dictator]

Originally posted by FaDeThEBuTcHeR
Still waiting for Sulla, kOnTrA, George Will, Bill Krystal, Jonah Goldberg, the fat ass Rush Limbaugh, the armchair generals, and all the rest of the Chickenhawks and Neocons to sign up for military service.

I wasn't aware you needed a uniform before you could support an idea in this nation. If you must know, my plans for serving were delayed by my friend, who no longer wishes to join up. I would be more than happy to enlist once my time in college is done, if my country needs me.

When are you signing up Fade? Don't you need military service to voice an opinion in this nation? Oh, wait....the rules that you attempt, in a rather feeble way, to apply to others don't seem to apply to you.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Originally posted by Spießer


Not going to happen.
I learned this in the Army myself. People like that wouldn't survive in the service.

ROFL I don't think you know me well enough to make a judgement of what I'm capable of.

[QtrHrsmn]

Originally posted by Sulla the Dictator


I wasn't aware you needed a uniform before you could support an idea in this nation. If you must know, my plans for serving were delayed by my friend, who no longer wishes to join up. I would be more than happy to enlist once my time in college is done, if my country needs me.

Well, I served...21 years and 8 months and 17 days... I know a bullshit excuse when I hear one. If your country needed you, it would be in time of war... would you defer your education to serve?

Originally posted by Sulla the Dictator


ROFL I don't think you know me well enough to make a judgement of what I'm capable of.

You're right. I don't know you at all... but going by the above excuse, I'd say you're not capable of much of anything except typing words on a PC.

[FaDeThEBuTcHeR]

I wasn't aware you needed a uniform before you could support an idea in this nation. If you must know, my plans for serving were delayed by my friend, who no longer wishes to join up. I would be more than happy to enlist once my time in college is done, if my country needs me.

LOL of course you will be watching the bombs drop on Iraq via satellite, that should be fun I suppose. It won't be Sulla the Dictator or kOnTrA the Chickenhawk contracting and dying of Gulf War Syndrome which the government up until recently denied ever existing. Actually one of the first casualities of the War in Afghanistan was a man from Auburn, AL where I live. I wonder if Dubya and the chickenhawks will be cutting off the benefits to his widow and child anytime soon. Surely he would not want to skip out on a payment of billions of dollars to all those Israel war veterans from the last war.

When are you signing up Fade?

I have no intention whatsoever of joining the military to fight the war of Neoconservatives many of whom were not even born here, but in the USSR as Jewish Trotskyites and Communists, and I likewise encourage anyone who would fight for their country to refuse to do so, for at this moment doing just that is fighting against their country and for a foreign state many people in our government are loyal to. Why the hell should anyone fight to defend the borders of foreign nations when their own government is afraid to police their own borders is beyond my ability to understand.

Don't you need military service to voice an opinion in this nation?

I do not believe in "this" nation in the first place. What I have in mind is certainly not the type of nation that you or the rest of the Neocons have in mind. I think it is rather ridiculous to fight for something I do not believe in myself, that is surely hostile to my interests. Provided I did have a nation, as was once true in history, I would be more than willing to fight for it.

Oh, wait....the rules that you attempt, in a rather feeble way, to apply to others don't seem to apply to you.

I have never advocated sending others into battle to preserve the empire of Israel and the Neoconservatives. I have never advocated sending troops to fight foreign wars when our own government cannot defend our own borders. I do not have such a cavalier attitude when it comes to the lives of my friends, many of whom are being shipped to Iraq now for the stupid ridiculous war of the Chickenhawks none of whom are going to be anywhere NEAR the action. People I know can die over there but what could they possibly be dying for other than a nation that has always treated them as second class Americans.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Originally posted by QtrHrsmn
Well, I served...21 years and 8 months and 17 days... I know a bullshit excuse when I hear one.

You can think what you please. Its pretty irrelevant to me, since you have no idea what you're talking about.

If your country needed you, it would be in time of war... would you defer your education to serve?

Yes, but this war is likely to be over in 4 days. What purpose would be served by dropping out of school when I only have a year left?

You're right. I don't know you at all... but going by the above excuse, I'd say you're not capable of much of anything except typing words on a PC.

You don't seem to be capable of even that.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Originally posted by FaDeThEBuTcHeR


LOL of course you will be watching the bombs drop on Iraq via satellite, that should be fun I suppose. It won't be Sulla the Dictator or kOnTrA the Chickenhawk contracting and dying of Gulf War Syndrome which the government up until recently denied ever existing.

What causes Gulf War syndrom Fade?

Actually one of the first casualities of the War in Afghanistan was a man from Auburn, AL where I live.

A man who was undoubtably a patriot...and thus nothing like you in any way. ROFL Look at Fade trying to wrap the cloak of a dead hero around himself, to taint the memory of the fellow. Repulsive.

I have no intention whatsoever of joining the military to fight the war of Neoconservatives many of whom were not even born here

Then perhaps we should revoke your right to vote. Maybe voting should only be done by veterans, since according to you, I need 6 years in the army to support a type of American foreign policy.

but in the USSR as Jewish Trotskyites and Communists, and I likewise encourage anyone who would fight for their country to refuse to do so, for at this moment doing just that is fighting against their country and for a foreign state many people in our government are loyal to.

ROFL "The sky is falling! OMG!" Calm down chicken little. You and your fellow members amongst the fifth column hold little sway amongst the average American.

Why the hell should anyone fight to defend the borders of foreign nations when their own government is afraid to police their own borders is beyond my ability to understand.

Fade has in the past advocated American MILITARY intervention in various parts of Africa. He's done this without serving a day in the military. Shoot him.

I do not believe in "this" nation in the first place.

Kontra and I will take that under consideration when reading your 'advice'.

[FaDeThEBuTcHeR]

What causes Gulf War syndrom Fade?

The exposure of our military to the destroyed chemical weapons stockpiles and the disgusting burning oil fields.

A man who was undoubtably a patriot...and thus nothing like you in any way.

I have no desire to fight in the wars of Neoconservatives born in foreign countries and loyal to foreign regimes. LOL lets see how many families of such patriots Bush thumbs his nose at. See article.

ROFL Look at Fade trying to wrap the cloak of a dead hero around himself, to taint the memory of the fellow. Repulsive.

What repulses me more than anything is Sulla the Dictator's cavalier attitude with respect to putting people's lives on the line. What Sulla the Dictator, who obviously is not going to be anywhere near the war advocates is sending more such individuals to die in Iraq to stop the "weapons of mass destruction" people like Donnie Rumsfeld assisted Iraq in developing in the first place. How many millions did America give to Afghanistan in 2001 Sulla?

Then perhaps we should revoke your right to vote.

LOL the "right to vote" is more like the "right to play the lottery." What is "the right to vote" worth when millions of absolute complete and total foreigners have the same "right to vote" that you do? What is "voting" worth wh

[FaDeThEBuTcHeR]

What causes Gulf War syndrom Fade?

The exposure of our military to the destroyed chemical weapons stockpiles and the disgusting burning oil fields.

A man who was undoubtably a patriot...and thus nothing like you in any way.

I have no desire to fight in the wars of Neoconservatives born in foreign countries and loyal to foreign regimes. LOL lets see how many families of such patriots Bush thumbs his nose at. See article.

ROFL Look at Fade trying to wrap the cloak of a dead hero around himself, to taint the memory of the fellow. Repulsive.

What repulses me more than anything is Sulla the Dictator's cavalier attitude with respect to putting people's lives on the line. What Sulla the Dictator, who obviously is not going to be anywhere near the war advocates is sending more such individuals to die in Iraq to stop the "weapons of mass destruction" people like Donnie Rumsfeld assisted Iraq in developing in the first place. How many millions did America give to Afghanistan in 2001 Sulla?

Then perhaps we should revoke your right to vote.

LOL the "right to vote" is more like the "right to play the lottery." What is "the right to vote" worth when millions of absolute complete and total foreigners have the same "right to vote" that you do? What is "voting" worth when citizenship is so utterly worthless it can be acquired by fax machine in the Korean language.

Maybe voting should only be done by veterans

This presupposes Sulla has not sent to fight his wars return alive, while he himself sits at home and watches the action on television.

since according to you, I need 6 years in the army to support a type of American foreign policy.

You should serve in the military if you have such a cavalier attitude about sending people to die for foreign countries. Obviously you are not going to serve in the military at all. Thus I fail to see what crediability either you or kOnTrA have in the first place. Watching you two talk about foreign policy is like watching fans of the World Wrestling Federation.

ROFL "The sky is falling! OMG!" Calm down chicken little. You and your fellow members amongst the fifth column hold little sway amongst the average American.

The real fifth column are the Marxists who are called Neoconservatives today, many of whom born in foreign enemy countries, virtually none of whom ever fought in any war advocating sending Americans to fight and die in wars not of their interests. They are enjoined by the prattle of the Chickenhaws and Armchair generals across the nation, who once again, on average have never fought in any war as well. These are the same individuals who continue to be perfectly content to use our military and our money to defend the entire world while not even defending our own borders. Is it any wonder it is so easy to blow up the WTC or go on a shooting rampage when the President of the United States is more concerned about sucking up to special interests, foreigners, and winning elections? LOL oh and it is amusing that you bring out the "Chicken Little" canard again. May I ask who is the REAL Chicken Little? Who is it that is creating hysteria over a few empty shells in a blown out bunker of a Third World country on the other side of earth?

Fade has in the past advocated American MILITARY intervention in various parts of Africa. He's done this without serving a day in the military. Shoot him.

Show me my statement.

Kontra and I will take that under consideration when reading your 'advice'.

I suppose gambling with millions of lives comes naturally to Sulla, I mean just look at where he is from, keep that in mind when considering Sulla's opinion on how best get your son, daughter, or friend shot to death in a foreign country.

[86Dude]

I won't be enlisting for the war in Iraq, but if war breaks out in Korea I seriously plan to enlist if they will have me. I am in pretty good shape for someone who is 6-8, but I am working hard to be ready IF all hell breaks loose. I just want to do my service and get out, and I don't really want to be behind a desk. I don't expect many of you to understand, since I don't fully understand it myself.

My best friend, father of 2, just shipped out yesterday, tip of the sword. He is the real deal, and if anyone thinks the U.S. isn't ready, they need only to meet him to be convinced otherwise.

[Chris]

Originally posted by Spießer
We are a direct democracy.
And that vote lost by 2,754 votes out of more than 2 million.
Guess which way I voted
It wont be long till the SVP (swiss people's party) wins enough support to pass the right laws.

Didn't the French speaking cantons all vote against it and the German speaking cantons all voted for it?