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Post Neo-Nazi terrorism

When three bombs exploded in London in Spring 1999, targeting the capital’s black, Asian and gay communities, the threat of neo-Nazi terrorism finally seemed to have become a reality. By the time David Copeland, the bomber, was arrested, 3 people had been killed and over 100 injured by the nail bombs. Within a few weeks of his arrest, Copland’s far right connections were made very clear by the publication of photographs showing him standing next to John Tyndall, then the leader of the BNP, at the party’s 15th anniversary celebrations in 1997. Far from being a loner as he was initially portrayed, David Copeland is simply another demonstration of the direct line between the incitement-filled, hate-driven ideology of the far right, and the kind of murderous violence seen in London last year.

At around the same time as the nail bomb campaign, another Londoner, James Shaw, was arrested late one night after attacking a bus driver. When police were called, they discovered that Shaw was carrying not only a knife, but also two homemade bombs. A search of Shaw’s home unearthed three more bombs, which he intended to use to blow up railway lines, along with pages and pages of racist writings, hate-mail, National Front literature and a photograph of Hitler. Shaw, like Copeland, acted on his own, but was no loner: he was a supporter of the National Front during its heyday in the 1970s. Shaw is now serving nine years in prison, and is yet another example of the kind of person attracted by the far right’s cocktail of hate and violence. Even Shaw’s own barrister admitted: “He has a pathological interest in bombs and hates everyone.”

Similarly, Stuart Kerr was imprisoned for 12 years in November for petrol-bombing an Asian-owned shop in Chichester. Taking up the idea that the state, in the form of the Zionist Occupational Government (ZOG), is the greatest enemy, he also firebombed a police car before he was arrested. The police, who were told by Kerr that he is “a racist and a supporter of the British National Party,” found piles of BNP and C18 literature at Kerr’s home, alongside swastikas and photographs of Hitler. Although not a member of any far right group, Kerr had been influenced by neo-Nazi football hooligans at West Ham United. One of these, a convicted hooligan named Matthew Marian, stood as a BNP candidate in a local election in London in May 1998.

It should really come as little surprise that the far right has turned to terrorism, given the violent, revolutionary ideology which has been washing around the global neo-Nazi movement for most of the 1990s. This is exactly the strategy advocated by Louis Beam, William Pierce and other American far right ideologues- their calls for leaderless resistance and white revolution now dominate the neo-Nazi world. The idea that far right activists should go underground, acting alone or in small cells and strike out at their perceived enemies was the inspiration behind the formation of Combat 18 and the Oklahoma bombing. Nor are these ideas limited to the radical extreme of C18; one of the BNP’s main organisers, Tony Lecomber, spent time in prison for trying to bomb the office of a left wing group in the 1980s, while more recently, William Pierce, the author of Hunter and The Turner Diaries and the architect of modern neo-Nazi terrorism, addressed the BNP Annual Rally in 1995. Copeland was active in the BNP in East London from early 1997, and later joined a small C18 splinter group. He is just as likely to have picked up his violent hatred of not only ethnic minorities, but also of those who he blames for bringing them to the UK, from either group.

Pierce’s writings have been expanded upon by several groups. The Charlemagne Hammer Skins (CHS), a French associate of the C18 splinter group National-Socialist Movement (NSM), published A Practical Guide to Aryan Revolution under the name Aryan Resistance Movement. This call to arms contained detailed instructions on subjects such as Methods of Covert Direct Action; Escape and Evasion; Assassination; Terror Bombing; Sabotage, Racial War, How To Create A Revolutionary Situation; and Rules of Engagement – Regulations Concerning the Conduct of Soldiers of the Aryan Liberation Army. Dave Myatt, a former leader of the NSM, has been arrested in connection with the publication of what is a detailed, practical terrorist handbook. The publication of the Practical Guide on the CHS website made it available to far more people than the small circle of activists in CHS and the NSM, while leaving the writer completely ignorant of who is influenced to act on his incitement.

The leaderless resistance theory espoused by C18 in the UK and many other far right organisations elsewhere was originally designed to protect fully committed, core group members from state scrutiny. Where the examples of Copeland, Kerr and indeed Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma differ from this is that none of them were core members of any group when they carried out their attacks. Rather, they were individuals whose propensity for violence and hostility towards others were given shape and meaning by the cultural and ideological milieu of the far right in which they moved. The fact that people who were relatively unknown even within their own groups could be so deeply influenced by the ideas they encountered on the far right that they became terrorists adds a new and worrying dimension to the threat posed by neo-Nazi terror. The Oklahoma bomb drew the world’s attention to The Turner Diaries, Pierce’s notorious work which outlines how an underground organisation can organise resistance against an oppressive state. However, it is his other book, Hunter, which appears to be the model for an increasing number of attacks, whether by committed far right activists or those on the fringes of the movement. The example of a lone gunman or bomber, acting on his conscience, with no organisational back-up or group of supporters who are aware of his campaign, fits not just David Copeland and Stuart Kerr, but also Buford Furrow and Benjamin Smith in America. It is certainly much easier for a would-be neo-Nazi terrorist to simply go out and attack random targets than it is to establish and run an underground network of cells and activists.

Recent far right terrorism covers the full spectrum, from crude violence to the most sophisticated kind of attack. In the USA, Furrow and Smith, who were indeed core members of the Aryan Nations and the World Church Of The Creator respectively, lived out Pierce’s call to arms in their random shootings of people from various ethnic minorities. Meanwhile John King, after taking part in the murder of a black man, James Byrd, in Texas in 1998 by dragging him from the back of a pick-up truck, is said to have proclaimed: “We’re starting The Turner Diaries early.” In Sweden far right terrorism has taken on a whole different dimension, with careful targeting, intelligence gathering and preparation for the most ruthless kind of attacks. In June last year, Peter Karlsson, an investigative journalist who specialised in exposing the activities of the far right, and his son were left seriously injured by a car bomb. Later in the year, Bjorn Soderberg, a trade unionist who had uncovered far right infiltration of his union was shot dead on his doorstep. It soon emerged that Anti-AFA, a Swedish group which gathers information on anti-fascists, had begun collecting intelligence on Soderberg as soon as his revelations became public. Two days after the murder, Hampus Hellekant, Jimmy Niklasson and Bjorn Lindberg-Hernlund - all neo-Nazis connected to Anti-AFA and National Youth/Swedish Resistance - were arrested on suspicion of murder. Robert Vesterlund, the editor of the neo-Nazi magazine Info-14 whose activities had been exposed by Soderberg, was later arrested on suspicion of instigating the assassination. These attacks were preceded by a bungled armed robbery in May which left two policemen murdered, for which three known neo-Nazis, Tony Olsson, Andreas Alexandersson and Jackie Arklov, have been jailed for life. Although the tactic of raising funds through bank robberies is hardly exclusive to far right groups, it was used in the 1980s by The Order, the American model for modern neo-Nazi terror.

The danger is increased by the global nature of the modern far right. After the attempted murder of Peter Karlsson, it was the British Blood & Honour website that carried the Swedish neo-Nazi movement’s justification of their violence. The attack on Karlsson was described as “justified self-defense,” while the two dead policemen “were not innocent … they wore the State’s uniform to uphold its criminal laws. They took order (sic) from the Jewish chief of Police and the Soviet minister for justice … People who engage in this kind of terror, deserve no mercy.” When Austrian police uncovered a plot in October last year to carry out an armed coup, amongst the weapons, ammunition, hit-lists and propaganda they also found evidence of links to neo-Nazis in Britain, America, Germany and the Czech Republic. After a gay bar in Cape Town was bombed in November, a letter claiming responsibility for the attack in the name of the White Wolves – a name first used by C18 – listed the dates of the London nail bombs as “Famous Dates In British History 1999” and referred to Nelson Mandela’s “interfering in the Stephen Lawrence case in Britain” as justification for the attack.

The German far right also appears to be moving down the same road. In June 1998 German police discovered large caches of weapons at several locations around Germany, containing automatic and semi-automatic weapons, shells, mortars, machine guns and grenades, along with Nazi insignia and uniforms. In March last year, a bomb exploded at an exhibition about war crimes committed by the Wehrmacht during World War Two. Believed to have been planted by neo-Nazis, the bomb showed a level of technical sophistication not previously seen from the German far right. More recently, further arrests followed the discovery of bomb-making equipment, including chemicals, timers, batteries, steel pipes and detonators. The four neo-Nazi activists were arrested, all believed to be connected to Thorsten Heise, C18’s main contact in Germany. Further to the east, in Russia, there were three attempted bombings, two of them successful, of synagogues in Moscow.

Far right violence clearly stepped up a level on an international scale during the last year of the 20th Century. Far right groups have certainly used terrorism in the past, but the ubiquity of neo-Nazi terrorist attacks in 1999 was a global escalation from which the neo-Nazi movement is unlikely to retreat. Both the justification and motivation for terrorism and the strategy by which it should be executed have been available within the far right ever since William Pierce and Louis Beam penned their incitement-filled texts. Only in recent years, though, has the technical knowledge needed to build a bomb been so readily available, not just in neo-Nazi literature but more particularly, on the Internet. A David Copeland does not need to be accepted into some inner sanctum in order to become a terrorist; as a mere foot-soldier in the far right, everything he needs, in terms of encouragement, method and know-how is so commonly available to him as to be almost mundane. In these circumstances, any amount of surveillance, raids and arrests can only go so far; where neo-Nazi terrorism is concerned, the cat is already out of the bag.

“Snapped at the BNP bash,” Daily Mirror 25/5/99

“Inquiry demand over race-hate bomber links,” The Sunday Times 28/11/99; “Bomb plot loner gets nine years,” Guardian 27/11/99; “Hitler nut jailed for rail bomb terror plot,” The Sun 27/11/99

“Thug’s shrine to race hate,” Brighton Evening Argus 20/11/99; “Twelve years for BNP arsonist,” Searchlight January 2000

“A Practical Guide to Aryan Revolution,” http://www.ftc.net.com/~chs/readm18.htm, 8/1/98

“Black man’s killer said: ‘We’re starting The Turner Diaries early’,” The Scotsman 23/2/00

“Nazi hit squad murders anti-fascist trade unionist,” Searchlight November 1999

“Media target nazis,” Searchlight December 1999

“Nazi ‘terror’ trial shocks Sweden,” The Observer 28/11/99

“Nazi police killers get life,” Searchlight March 2000

“Swedish ZOG under siege,” http://www.bloodandhonour.com/siege.html, 17/11/99

“Raid nets far-right ring in Hitler’s home city,” Guardian 30/10/99

“Lawrence murder link to Cape Town bombings,” The Times 9/12/99

“Neo-Nazi arms caches uncovered,” Antisemitism-Update listserver, 20/7/98

“Neo-Nazi bomb blast wrecks army war crimes exhibition,” Independent 10/3/99

“Germany: Bomb making equipment seized,” Searchlight January 2000
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Old 08-12-2002, 08:59 PM
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funny how in the midst of all this anti-black rhetoric, this slips past unnoticed.
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Yea, I was thinking the same thing.. I'm waiting to hear Franks explanation about this..
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Yea, I was thinking the same thing.. I'm waiting to hear Franks explanation about this..
Why should I have to explain anything? If white perpetrators are found guilty of committing criminal acts they should be brought to justice to answer for them.

Now, let's see Jesse Jackson and black leaders like him say the same thing that I just did, the next time he hears of a black mob beating a white truck driver.
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Cropus Delicti Avenger.

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Yea, I was thinking the same thing.. I'm waiting to hear Franks explanation about this..
You will get mine.
Ever heard of the group" Kill the vivisectionists" a LEFT wing group
In Britain and Holland and Germany and France.
They are out to kill ANY person involved in Animal cruelty(including research on animals for cancer ,aids,etc.)
Now Avenger you do not mention this.
How two faced can you get.
Pim Fortuyn was murdered (suspected) by this left wing group.
You have the gall to attack the right wing.
Pim was not the only murder which happend,there were two before.
Please do not start a thread and expect a slow downhill ride..
Make sure you do not get ten fingers pointing back at you.

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You will get mine.
Ever heard of the group" Kill the vivisectionists" a LEFT wing group
In Britain and Holland and Germany and France.
They are out to kill ANY person involved in Animal cruelty(including research on animals for cancer ,aids,etc.)
Now Avenger you do not mention this.
How two faced can you get.
Pim Fortuyn was murdered (suspected) by this left wing group.
You have the gall to attack the right wing.
Pim was not the only murder which happend,there were two before.
Please do not start a thread and expect a slow downhill ride..
Make sure you do not get ten fingers pointing back at you.

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The difference is... I'm not supporting any of these groups...

Understand?
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The difference is... I'm not supporting any of these groups...

Understand?
Then why elaborate in a sick post on the rightwing.
haw haw.
I am Lord Haw Haw.

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PS : Lawrence Murder in Capetown Bomb-blast.

How about Klaas de Jonge murderous blasts in Capetown .

The difference is that you only mention the Rightwing and therefore support that side.
Comprendre.??????

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Originally posted by Corporate Avenger [b]Both the justification and motivation for terrorism and the strategy by which it should be executed have been available within the far right ever since William Pierce
My last name is Pierce as well. William Pierce is my nephews name. Its a disgrace to have the same name as an idiot like this.
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My last name is Pierce as well. William Pierce is my nephews name. Its a disgrace to have the same name as an idiot like this.
Who is William Pierce.?????/
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Who is William Pierce.?????/
Some Neo Nazi prick.
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Some Neo Nazi prick.
Hold it Criminal.
You love the flag.
No flag would use the words"Some Neo Nazi Prick".
I asked who he was not your opinion.
If I was an Administrator I would have deleted your post or at least PM(Whatever) to answer me in a proper manner.

Your answer does not help me very much.
So I am back to square one.
Who is William Pierce??????

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Hold it Criminal.
You love the flag.
No flag would use the words"Some Neo Nazi Prick".
I asked who he was not your opinion.
If I was an Administrator I would have deleted your post or at least PM(Whatever) to answer me in a proper manner.

Your answer does not help me very much.
So I am back to square one.
Who is William Pierce??????

Rugen
OK... I will start over again. William Pierce is the author of Hunter and The Turner Diaries. He is a political philospoher with rather right wing ideas.

I would say this much about the guy: I dont agree with his ideas but I respect his right to express them.
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Then why elaborate in a sick post on the rightwing.
haw haw.
I am Lord Haw Haw.

Rugen.
PS : Lawrence Murder in Capetown Bomb-blast.

How about Klaas de Jonge murderous blasts in Capetown .

The difference is that you only mention the Rightwing and therefore support that side.
Comprendre.??????

It's to show Frank that White people commit crimes also, including acts of terrorism.

I don't support any violence no matter who it's from, do you not understand? Is it the language barrier?

Since Frank hasn't posted anything of this sort I guess it's safe to say he supports right wing terrorists using your logic.

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It's to show Frank that White people commit crimes also, including acts of terrorism.

I don't support any violence no matter who it's from, do you not understand? Is it the language barrier?

Since Frank hasn't posted anything of this sort I guess it's safe to say he supports right wing terrorists using your logic.

I am a Moth...
If you are a moth, I have the moth club about 1 km form here and I am a member.
Quite frankly( heeehe Frank-ly), I do not understand your tit-bit tirade.
You wish me to elaborate on the Left wing terrorist-or for that matter the liberal- punchbag crap.
By all means ask me.

I am one on both sides of the fence

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Since Frank hasn't posted anything of this sort I guess it's safe to say he supports right wing terrorists using your logic.
I said earlier

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If white perpetrators are found guilty of committing criminal acts they should be brought to justice to answer for them.
Do you want to talk about Britain maybe you would like to bring up the Oldham/Burnley race riots, or extremist Muslims who leech off of England while threatening to declare war on it. Maybe you would like to bring up how the government wants to take the crowns off of police shoulder straps to avoid offending foreigners?

Talk about an invasion.
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