Sacagawea mets Cameahwait-the Odds?

[KillZone]

What are the "odds" that Sacagawea met her "brother" (Cameahwait could have been her literal brother or her cousin because "brother" meant both in Shoshone) on such a barren area on a specific date and at a time when the Corps of Discovery needed horses and her language skills to acquire horses?

Impossible to calculate.

[DngrMse]

I never gave it much thought. Actually.

I'm still stuck on why mirrors reverse reflections left to right, but not top to bottom.

[AlbertJ]

A woman like that might have seen her brother in anyone.

[KillZone]

Originally Posted by AlbertJ

A woman like that might have seen her brother in anyone.

Huh? Do you have evidence that supports your statement? My guess is that you do not, but guessing gets me in trouble. You can prove me wrong if you post it and do me a favor at the same time.

[Saison]

Obviously they planned this years in advance.

[AlbertJ]

Originally Posted by KillZone

Huh? Do you have evidence that supports your statement? My guess is that you do not, but guessing gets me in trouble. You can prove me wrong if you post it and do me a favor at the same time.

Well, according to the logs she was obviously illiterate and not well spoken in her own language. She was a member of the Salmon Eater (Agaidika) tribe and was therefore born near Salmon Idaho in the Lemhi Valley.

Cameahwait was not necessarily her real brother, as we see it.

In Shoshone culture the terms brother and cousin are synonymous.

Lewis's journal is the only document that makes the distinction and to Lewis the term brother actually means brother.

Clarks journal says only that she said Cameahwait was "of her nation", which is a far cry from actually being a brother.

Sacagawea was 12 years old when the Hidatsa kidnapped her and made her a slave. That was in 1800 according to Lewis and that would make her 17 years old in 1805 when Lewis's journal shares the famous brother story.

As we all know a 17 year old, illiterate, long haired, bare foot female will say just about anything to get out of walking long distances. Indian women can be quite clever, particularly in their youth.

I'm thinking they were cousins, maybe. They could have made the whole damn thing up for all we know. It was a good thing it turned out that way them getting horses and all. Great story telling.

[KillZone]

Originally Posted by AlbertJ

Well, according to the logs she was obviously illiterate and not well spoken in her own language. She was a member of the Salmon Eater (Agaidika) tribe and was therefore born near Salmon Idaho in the Lemhi Valley.

Cameahwait was not necessarily her real brother, as we see it.

In Shoshone culture the terms brother and cousin are synonymous.

Lewis's journal is the only document that makes the distinction and to Lewis the term brother actually means brother.

Clarks journal says only that she said Cameahwait was "of her nation", which is a far cry from actually being a brother.

Sacagawea was 12 years old when the Hidatsa kidnapped her and made her a slave. That was in 1800 according to Lewis and that would make her 17 years old in 1805 when Lewis's journal shares the famous brother story.

As we all know a 17 year old, illiterate, long haired, bare foot female will say just about anything to get out of walking long distances. Indian women can be quite clever, particularly in their youth.

I'm thinking they were cousins, maybe. They could have made the whole damn thing up for all we know. It was a good thing it turned out that way them getting horses and all. Great story telling.

(1) You should correct the greatest scholars in America that have made the Lewis and Clark Corps of Discovery their specialty and have spent a lifetime studying it. You know more about it than they do.

(2) Those scholars have never claimed she was his "real brother." As you are correcting them you'll realize this.

(3) I should believe you and not those scholars.

Right...

[AlbertJ]

We appear to agree then. Cool.

[KillZone]

Originally Posted by AlbertJ

We appear to agree then. Cool.

We do not appear to agree. Indeed, it is overtly obvious that we do not agree. To remind you and also me what we do not agree on, I have posted what I did again (below).

(1) You should correct the greatest scholars in America that have made the Lewis and Clark Corps of Discovery their specialty and have spent a lifetime studying it. You know more about it than they do.

(2) Those scholars have never claimed she was his "real brother." As you are correcting them you'll realize this.

(3) I should believe you and not those scholars.

We do not appear to agree because we do not agree. Personally, I believe scholars that have spent a lifetime studying the Lewis and Clark Corps of Discovery rather than to believe you.

[AlbertJ]

dude you started a thread based on the disbelief of calculating it

you are contradicting yourself

believe scholars - i agree with them

[KillZone]

dude you started a thread based on the disbelief of calculating it

False. I never said (posted) anything about disbelief to (aka of) calculating the odds. I posted it would be impossible to calculate the odds and I still do. There is a difference between those 2 concepts.

you are contradicting yourself

Ergo, false.

believe scholars - i agree with them

I do believe scholars. You agree with them and yet posted:

They could have made the whole damn thing up for all we know.

Huh? Talking about a whopper of a contradiction...

I have no interest in having the last word. If you do, then good for you.

[AlbertJ]

Let the last word be yours.