Why is this Al Sadr maggot still breathing?

[86Dude]

Why didn't we drop a fuel air bomb on his rally and send he and his fellow maggots straight to hell with Muhammed? BA ain't got no guts. U.S. Military has forgotten how to play mean and actually win a real war for the first time in 65 years.

[Nor'Easter]

This "war" isn't meant to be won. It's meant to be one of several long term battlefield locations that will be selected and used to play out the "generational war against Islamic fanaticism" that has been created by the minions of the huge corporations that make money off big war expendatures. This is the new "Cold War" and they need a patch of land that belongs to people they don't care about to have that conventional war on. Every time a bullet gets fired, or a bomb gets dropped, or a tank round gets launched, the military/industrial complex gets more US dollars. They're looking at record profits right now and we haven't even begun spending what it's going to take to restock all that we've spent in Iraq so far.

Now, the hired political goons of this cabal of international business interests are carefully (and patiently, this time) arranging for the expansion of that battlefield to include Iran. It's not about oil...even though that's a nice secondary benefit if managed properly. It's all about getting the US to spend on military hardware for the foreseeable future. The USSR died and the Chinese never stepped up to the plate like the war profiteers had hoped. It was left to them to create a long lasting war on their own, and the unrest in the Middle East provided the perfect breeding ground for the kind of mysterious boogymen that these vultures needed for that war. All they needed to do was get with GHW Bush's longtime business partner's kid...Osama bin Laden (after all, he was good people for that USSR/Afghanistan CIA adventure and he came from a family that the money folks could always count on), engineer a cataclysmic terrorism event with his fingerprints superimposed upon it, confuse the average idiot as to who was responsible, toss in some WMD scare talk, and wrap the whole thing in the American flag so it would shove easily down the throats of anyone in Congress that questioned it (not that the anthrax mailings to Tom Brokaw's NBC office *mainstream media* and Tom Daschel's *leader of the loyal opposition in Congress at the time* office didn't make a strong statement that it would be best to get in line with the rest of the parade if they didn't want some REAL terrorism on the home soil). The rest is history.

I have to laugh when I hear some TV talking head completely baffled as to why we've made such stupid decisions in this war. It's like they can't imagine the idea that while so much money is being made all around this thing, that money itself could be the sole reason for all of it. Hundreds of billions of dollars so far, and no accountability for any of it. Hundreds of billions yet to spend to try and put our ability to defend ourselves back together again, even if the whole thing were to end tomorrow. Which it won't.

The USSR collapsed because we outspent it and it went broke trying to keep up. That's how Reagan beat the USSR. We're going to collapse in exactly the same way, but our enemy was created by businessmen and the politicians that they bought. There was no Islamic/Christian Cold War until they created it. Now it exists and we'll be fighting it forever while those businessmen make uncountable billions off that war.

Don't be looking for our military to be kicking anyone's ass. There's no money to be made in victory.

[Java_man]

Najaf residents said they saw Al Sadr's motorcade leaving the city and heading toward Kufa on Friday morning. The black-turbaned leader then entered the revered mosque for prayers.

The guy shows up in a frigging MOTORCADE like some sort of terrorist pope

It is obvious that we are not serious about getting him

[Pappy&Me]

More to this than we know . if war profit was the trick than we'd went after the Sauds who are the main perpetrators of radical islam. or even Iran .

it seems more to me like they are handing the worlds reins over to islam ,nothing else makes sense ,yet. There now 2000 mosque in America guarded by our leaders . Then you have these 'compounds all over the country with militia like manuvers where town people are affraid to go out at night . The biggest one [ mosque ] in Washington was visited by the 911 thugs before they inialated thousands of us . CAIR is on the Homeland Security Board who makes decisions about our fighting terrorism ! LaRaza "the race' a hugh latino racist group is helping to feed more terrorist into our nation [ directly on purpose or indirectly ? ] by keeping our borders wide open . Muslim foot wash pits are showing up in our airports and now all our prisons have mosques and most prison chapels are gone .

It's not the money, it's the power . The sad part is all the mentals who call themselves caring are helping to corral their own ass .

[living love]

Welcome aboard Nor'Easter. Nice post!!

[Nor'Easter]

Originally Posted by Pappy&Me

More to this than we know . if war profit was the trick than we'd went after the Sauds who are the main perpetrators of radical islam. or even Iran .

it seems more to me like they are handing the worlds reins over to islam ,nothing else makes sense ,yet. There now 2000 mosque in America guarded by our leaders . Then you have these 'compounds all over the country with militia like manuvers where town people are affraid to go out at night . The biggest one [ mosque ] in Washington was visited by the 911 thugs before they inialated thousands of us . CAIR is on the Homeland Security Board who makes decisions about our fighting terrorism ! LaRaza "the race' a hugh latino racist group is helping to feed more terrorist into our nation [ directly on purpose or indirectly ? ] by keeping our borders wide open . Muslim foot wash pits are showing up in our airports and now all our prisons have mosques and most prison chapels are gone .

It's not the money, it's the power . The sad part is all the mentals who call themselves caring are helping to corral their own ass .

Sounds like the corpo/political marketing gurus have been successful with your programming. Go ahead. Hate the Islamic boogyman. Drink the grape koolaid along with the rest of America. It doesn't really matter anymore. The Islamic/Christian war has already begun and where it's going to go is anyone's guess. Including the jackasses that started it. Corporate planners think in 3 month increments, and they see nothing wrong with that kind of thinking. They're making their money off all of this but they haven't considered the ramifications that await the entire world as a result of what they've done here. There are 1 billion Muslims in the world and they don't appreciate that our government leaders have decided to make them devils so that they're corporate owners can make a buck off the resulting war.

Whenever there's bad stuff happening, you have to begin by looking at who is benefitting DIRECTLY from what is happening to figure out who is behind what's happening. Most situations aren't complicated. Most are fairly basic in design and motivation. Only fiction writers complicate things. Real criminals go for the sure thing when commiting a crime. From 9/11 to the lies that enabled the invasion of Iraq to the subsequent foolishness that's marked our entire misadventure in Iraq, the direct benefit has gone to the big global manufacturers of military weaponry and advanced security technology. No one else has benefitted from any of this...well...other than Dick Cheney's old company Halliburton. Hey, everyone that could get a piece of this action was feeding as hard as possible from the start. It makes you sick to see all the pigs at this trough. This frenzy isn't going to stop for a long time.

In the meantime, try to think about something other than how terrible people that aren't exactly like you are. The money makers make their money off your innate fear and hatred of people that are different than you...and vice versa. It's been this way for centuries. The real hell is what's going to come and bite you on your ass eventually due to your taking the bait that the money ******* have laid out for you. And when your side goes down, they'll just invest in the other side. They think you're stupid. In fact, they're banking on it. Literally.

[Pappy&Me]

Originally Posted by Nor'Easter

Sounds like the corpo/political marketing gurus have been successful with your programming. Go ahead. Hate the Islamic boogyman. Drink the grape koolaid along with the rest of America. It doesn't really matter anymore. The Islamic/Christian war has already begun and where it's going to go is anyone's guess. Including the jackasses that started it. Corporate planners think in 3 month increments, and they see nothing wrong with that kind of thinking. They're making their money off all of this but they haven't considered the ramifications that await the entire world as a result of what they've done here. There are 1 billion Muslims in the world and they don't appreciate that our government leaders have decided to make them devils so that they're corporate owners can make a buck off the resulting war.

Whenever there's bad stuff happening, you have to begin by looking at who is benefitting DIRECTLY from what is happening to figure out who is behind what's happening. Most situations aren't complicated. Most are fairly basic in design and motivation. Only fiction writers complicate things. Real criminals go for the sure thing when commiting a crime. From 9/11 to the lies that enabled the invasion of Iraq to the subsequent foolishness that's marked our entire misadventure in Iraq, the direct benefit has gone to the big global manufacturers of military weaponry and advanced security technology. No one else has benefitted from any of this...well...other than Dick Cheney's old company Halliburton. Hey, everyone that could get a piece of this action was feeding as hard as possible from the start. It makes you sick to see all the pigs at this trough. This frenzy isn't going to stop for a long time.

In the meantime, try to think about something other than how terrible people that aren't exactly like you are. The money makers make their money off your innate fear and hatred of people that are different than you...and vice versa. It's been this way for centuries. The real hell is what's going to come and bite you on your ass eventually due to your taking the bait that the money ******* have laid out for you. And when your side goes down, they'll just invest in the other side. They think you're stupid. In fact, they're banking on it. Literally.

So i guess you have all the answers and facts ? I really doubt it . While you see nothing wrong with the invaders and infiltrators of most of the worlds nations, you have no problem finding the faults of a few . So maybe Kerry, ,Pelosis ,Fienstiens, Clintons Kennedys are all poor people to you ,but I think they have a few bucks put back .

Pride yourself on tolerence for evil and debachery and hate that what is decent and good . This is the same thing the people you condemn do . The republicans are no less or more rich or evil than the democrats ,both are out for power and greed . They don['t give a damn about their drunkin , perverted childrens future anymore than the hypocrits do .


PS Also, I'll never again vote for the lessor of two evils . I wouldn't vote for a single soul on this earth again .

[zipper99]

Originally Posted by Pappy&Me

So i guess you have all the answers and facts ? I really doubt it . blah blah blah... Kerry, ,Pelosis ,Fienstiens, Clintons Kennedys...blah blah blah....tolerence for evil and debachery and hate that what is decent and good . This is the same thing the people you condemn do...blah blah blah...power and greed ...drunkin , perverted children...blah blah blah....

See what you've done, NorÉaster ??

[Pappy&Me]

Originally Posted by zipper99

See what you've done, NorÉaster ??

LOL , thanks !

[86Dude]

Noreaster, I hate noreasters. I got stuck in that one last september in VA and it SUCKED. Anyhoo, you need to put as much effort into debunking that conspiracy theory crap as you do surfing the internet for it. The truth is somewhere in between.

[yuki]

Originally Posted by 86Dude

Why didn't we drop a fuel air bomb on his rally and send he and his fellow maggots straight to hell with Muhammed? BA ain't got no guts. U.S. Military has forgotten how to play mean and actually win a real war for the first time in 65 years.

The bleeding hearts would cry foul if he and his goons were bombed in his rally.

[86Dude]

Originally Posted by yuki

The bleeding hearts would cry foul if he and his goons were bombed in his rally.

I've been meaning to tell you that you ain't liberal sweetheart.

[Nor'Easter]

Originally Posted by Pappy&Me

So i guess you have all the answers and facts ? I really doubt it . While you see nothing wrong with the invaders and infiltrators of most of the worlds nations, you have no problem finding the faults of a few . So maybe Kerry, ,Pelosis ,Fienstiens, Clintons Kennedys are all poor people to you ,but I think they have a few bucks put back .

Pride yourself on tolerence for evil and debachery and hate that what is decent and good . This is the same thing the people you condemn do . The republicans are no less or more rich or evil than the democrats ,both are out for power and greed . They don['t give a damn about their drunkin , perverted childrens future anymore than the hypocrits do .


PS Also, I'll never again vote for the lessor of two evils . I wouldn't vote for a single soul on this earth again .

I'm referring to the global money people, and the people they own in our government. If that includes Democrats (which it must if these folks are as good at what they do as they need to be to be where they are) then I'm talking about those Democrats too. This isn't about politics. This is about policy. Politics is the game that the paid-for henchmen of these money people play with each other to try and curry favor with one or the other depending on who they believe they're aligned with. The truth is that all the big international players are on the same team, and they all laugh at the politicos scurrying about for the crumbs that are allowed to fall from the table. In the end, the policy will always be what the money people have paid for it to be. It's never been any different. These people paid for this world. It belongs to them. We're just allowed to live in it so long as we don't become too much trouble.

[Nor'Easter]

Originally Posted by zipper99

See what you've done, NorÉaster ??

That's okay. I took a nap before all of this. I can handle it.

[Java_man]

Originally Posted by yuki

The bleeding hearts would cry foul if he and his goons were bombed in his rally.

How did Al Asdr become a terrorist celebrity ?

Did you ever hear of him before GB invaded Iraq ?

The fact is he was a nobody a couple of years ago

And take a wild guess what would happen if we managed to kill him

[Stone]

Originally Posted by 86Dude

Why didn't we drop a fuel air bomb on his rally and send he and his fellow maggots straight to hell with Muhammed? BA ain't got no guts. U.S. Military has forgotten how to play mean and actually win a real war for the first time in 65 years.

I don't know if you recall, but US military and politicians met with Al Sadr shortly after the invasion when his popularity was small and growing. He was standing face to face with powerful Americans. They could have killed him then...

Of course one could always theorize that one way or another, some sort of backroom deal was struck.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by 86Dude

Why didn't we drop a fuel air bomb on his rally and send he and his fellow maggots straight to hell with Muhammed? BA ain't got no guts. U.S. Military has forgotten how to play mean and actually win a real war for the first time in 65 years.

Two reasons:

1. We can't seem to find him, unless he's at the government buildings, and

2. He's involved with the Iraqi government now. He's legit. Guess whose fault that is?

[Nor'Easter]

Originally Posted by Java_man

How did Al Asdr become a terrorist celebrity ?

Did you ever hear of him before GB invaded Iraq ?

The fact is he was a nobody a couple of years ago

And take a wild guess what would happen if we managed to kill him

um........we'd have to invent a new one of him so that our soldiers could continue to fight the new him for our freedom in a country thousands of miles away from us that we invaded?

[Kaliayev]

Al-Sadr was very well known in Iraq before the US ever got there. His family is famous, his father and grandfather were both religious leaders among the Shi'ites there and he's taken a smiliar route (though I find Al-Sistani much more to my liking).

As for killing him, there is no point. The intel for the past few months suggests he has lost control of the Mahdi Army to his local commanders, who now no longer need to rely on his cash. Apparently kidnapping, the drugs and arms trade, protection rackets etc pay well enough to run an insurgency.

There's also the whole "he's part of a foreign government" business. While officially he holds no role in it, his party is part of the Cabinet and killing him could very easily destabalize the coalition government there. Although at this point, destabalizing Iraq would be like pissing in the sea, if the sea were made of piss.

Best off to concentrate on his followers and people among his militia while getting moderates to try and combine to undermine his political support. Probably won't happen, but its the smarter option.

[veracity00]

Originally Posted by Java_man

The guy shows up in a frigging MOTORCADE like some sort of terrorist pope

It is obvious that we are not serious about getting him

Yes it is. I read an article that the US even has a military base in Sadr City. Plus, his political followers occupy 30 seats in Iraq's parliament. He ain't that hard to find.