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03-04-2007, 07:34 AM
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Al Gore's Inconvenient Loot
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If I haven't said it once, I have said it 1000 times......this GW junk science is all about money..... What is so funny is, you liberals laughed at conservatives saying how gullible we have been defending Bush, yet are falling over backwards to run to the Gore defense when it is clear he is in this for the money....... 
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03-04-2007, 07:55 AM
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"Junk science" is exactly what the flat Earth society believes in, you know, the kind funded by oil companies??
There's no evidence of the Earth being an orb either, who knows, maybe NASA has been photoshopping those images all along..  You guys are on page one while everybody else has finished the book.. 
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03-04-2007, 08:30 AM
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The earth is a sphere, and that was known long before Columbus, inspite of the idiotic school stories that some tell. he wouldn't have crossed the atlantic if he really believed that he would fall off. In fact, he was trying to get to india by going West, which is the long way around if Spain is the starting point. He was trying to make money to live out his life as a rich man; not fall of the earth to his death. That would have been pointless, not to mention stupid. He also wasn't out to 'prove" a round earth. That's a schoolchilds' tale and nothing more. Obviously, he knew the earth wasn't flat, as did most sailing men of his day. A quick glance at the horizon from the sea makes it pretty obvious that the Earth is curved, as anyone who's ever been on the water knows. It's simple enough for a child to to see this because of the ROTATION of the Earth, and the simple fact that Polaris stays stationary. Just look up at night, and the truth is staring you in the face. Scientists are still using the reflectors we left on the moon for different experiments as well. That's a good clue that we went there. There are about 10,000 other ways to prove a round Earth, but I'm not going to start listing them here. I just mentioned the simplest ones to understand. The Gore GW machine is another thing altogether, and following the money trail always leads to truth, and eventrually, ots of folks will have egg on their faces, and lots of explaining to do. The kyoto protocol is a scam to extrort more american money, even though we finance and feed the freakin' world as it is. Look up some environmental articles from say, 1967-75, and you'll clearly see that the same crowd swore we were heading for an ice age. This story was the cover story in several big name magazines at different times, and it was "true". As it turned out, they were wrong as wrong can be, and they're very likely wrong that humans have any significant impact on the natural warming and cooling cycles of the earth at all. Solar activity and weather play a huge role in climate; yes weather, and there is no proof whatsoever that humans can impact either on any wide scale. I hate to get repetitious, but I've heard these stories for over 40 years, and the accuracy rate of climate prediction is a fraction above zero. The "massive" warming over the last 60 years has been less than 1.5 degrees farenheit, which is hardly cause for alarm by any standard. These are the same people who swear it won't rain for your sunday picnic and the sky opens up and dumps for 8 hours. GW is a business/industry, just as modern day civil rights has become, as well as environmentalism in general, and all of them are overwhelmingly populated by left wingers, who are trying to get in everyones' wallets at every oppurtunity. All of these movements are always asking for money that someone else earned. Isn't that kind of strange that having a hand out is a common thread?? And isn't it strange that they all use guilt as a means to extort the cash?? How blind can people possibly be??? Hasn't anyone noticed that our climate is virtually no different than it was 100 years ago??? Why does no GW proponent ever dare mention the warming that happened before the dark ages, and the cooling period that followed, yet no one was burning a single drop of any fossil fuel??? They don't, because it proves how wrong they are. Get real. People should start believeing their eyes instead of demagogues like Gore and friends. Those lyng hypocrites and their carbon credits are a joke, and they're laughing all the way to the bank. Buying credits to continue living the lifestyle that they lecture the entire world to abandon is assinine, and I would bet that a substantial portion of money spent on them is lining someone's pokets, instead of cleaning up anything. Government organizations can't even manage to get more than 13 cents on a dollar into the hands of the "poor", so why should anyone believe this current "carbon credit" program could possibly be any more efficient?? It's all about the cash. Make no mistake. It was 40 years ago, and it is now. I just pray to god that some democrat doesn't get elected and force america into that ridiculous, job killing, regulatory scam of a program. Last edited by Betrade; 03-04-2007 at 08:56 AM.
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03-04-2007, 09:18 AM
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Straight out of the Denialist Playbook. Let's take a read.
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03-04-2007, 10:26 AM
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03-04-2007, 11:46 AM
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03-04-2007, 12:04 PM
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Its a money making fraud to start with......funny how so many GW'ers, who are stupid and ignorant Gore bootlickers, that they will believe anything they are told to believe...... happily.....these are the same people that believe Hillary didn't know where the Whitewater billing record were even though they were found in the White House private quarters...... I wonder if the steel nose ring hurts after being lead off to slaughter?...which so many of GW'ers are to dim to realize it until your neck is in the clamp and the butcher is walking up to shoot you in the head.....
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03-04-2007, 01:02 PM
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I challenge you to prove that the current warming trend is caused by human activity, and I would also like to know your opinion on the well documented warming period that preceeded the dark ages, and what caused it. Lastly, why did the earth then cool back down??? If I (and many other like minded people, who, by the way don't deny the "dramatic" 1.4 degree farenheit temperature increase over the last X number of years, but question the actual cause which does acknowledge possible human contribution at a slight level) could get real answers to a few simple questions, I might agree that we're the primary, or at least significant cause of the latest warming period, but I have yet to hear any answer that doesn't involve theory, speculation, assumption and rationalization. Human caused global warming is still a hypothesis, yet millions of people consider it fact, when irrefutable evidence to back it up just doesn't exist at this time. That could change tomorrow, but so far, the answers to a few simple questions remain elusive. The fact that a group of like minded scientists claim that the "book is closed" on the issue is meaningless. Scientific fact is not, and never has been a product of concensus. If that were the case, the world would be flat, we would be in a mini ice age, killer bees would have arrived in every one of the sates except for Alaska and Hawaii, the Northeastern pine forests would have been long gone as a result of acid rain, the ice caps would have been significanly melted and sea levels would have risen by at least 10 to 20 feet by now (because early estimates predicted an eventual 200 foot rise, also, the video footage they love to show of pieces of glaciers dropping into the sea to 'prove" that the ice caps are melting are bogus. That's what glaciers do when they reach the sea. It's an ice flow, and the flow pushes the icebergs into the sea, as they have fro millions of years Where else can they go??), buffalo would have been extinct at least twenty years ago (we can eat them now if we so choose). America and the Soviets would have wiped out civilization as we know it, the world would have shut down at midnight, January 1st, 2000 due to the catstrohic aftermath of the Y2K bug, Cheetahs would be extinct as a result of inbreeding, California would have split in two pieces with one moving westward (in spite of the fact that the pacific plate is moving south to north, and not west to east), cars would fly, AIDS would have reached epidemic proportions in the US at least a decade ago, there would be water wars planetwide as a result of pollution and the resulting shortage of potable water (even though we can make all the water we need from seawater these days), we would have people living on the moon, we would have low orbit aircraft that anyone could afford to take a ride on, and cross the entire globe in 45 minutes to reach any destination, poverty would no longer exist (great society, etc.), war would no longer exist, etc., etc., etc. I could go on for the next day or two listing all of the failed prophecies I have heard in my own lifetime (which has not been that long; I'm only 45), but i think I have made my point. GW is an issue that can be milked for years and years and years, because the dire consequences are always way out in the future (or at least ten years, but the add ten years every ten years). When the projected time actually arrives and nothing has happened, they just push it ahead, the same as people have done with the second coming of Christ for over 2000 years, but we're all still patiently waiting. I'll believe my eyes, but I refuse to believe people with a vested interest in calamity; especially the ones who just happen to be happen to politicians who are known liars. When the guy who falsely and publicly claimed to be the father of the internet lectures me about my Chevy Blazer that's powered with a 4.3 litre V6 (which is very efficient, and hardly a gas guzzler, not to mention that many passenger cars are powered with much less efficient engines, but because the body of an SUV is on the cahssis, instead of a car body, it becomes "evil" and significantly more atmospherically damaging) and flies around the world in private aircraft, rides around in gas guzzling Limos on a regular basis, owns numerous properties that burn huge amounts of fossil fuels (oh, I forgot, I think ONE of them is running on some green energy; so what; that's what's known as damage control), I can't help but to ignore him. How can anyone take such hypocricy seriously??? He obviously doesn't REALLY care, or he would be doing whatever he could to cut down on his use of these fuels in ALL areas of his life, and not just a chosen few he can point to to "prove" he really cares. Talk is cheap, and actions always speak louder than words. I don't buy into the "do as I say, not as I do" mentality in any situation. He's not my father, nor does he have a shred of authority over me or my family, so he gets no respect from me. In the end, global warming played a huge part in allowing we humans to become a civilized race of beings. had the planet remained an ice world, as it once was, we quite possibly wouldn't have made many of the advances that we have. We may have died out like the neanderthals did. They were nearly as intelligent as us; and were just another species of homo sapiens. Their artwork alone shows us their creativity, their predisposition to worship a higher power (an almost universal human trait, except in 'enlightened" societies where it's no longer trendy), and the tools that they fashioned showed a high capacity to use their environment to their benefit, and to the betterment of their overall standard of living. So, I thank God for global warming. I like hot weather, and if the earth warms up a degree or two, and the climate of MD becomes like that of Georgia, I'll be very happy about it. I'm quite certian that we'll adapt, in spite of what the prophets of doom are saying. Their track record is abysmal to begin with, and we should be very careful before we put too much stock into their latest predictions of the end of the world as we know it. It's just another one of a long line of similiar predictions that have yet to materialize. Those of us who haven't been conviced yet are accused of being in denial, which reminds me of two Australlian doctors who told the medical community that stomach ulcers were primarilly caused by a bacterial infection. They were called quacks. Those quacks are now Nobel prize winners, because they were right, and went against the conventional wisdom, and the scientific "concensus". One of them actually infected himself with the ulcer causing bacteria, and then cured himself with antibiotics in a few weeks. The makers of drugs such as Zantac were not happy at all, and got that drug approved as an OTC antacid in no time flat. As it turns out, it happened to be one of their biggest money makers, and they had to find a way to keep that goose with the golden eggs generating positive cash flow. Again, it's the money trail that leads to truth in most cases, and I would love to know how mucg cash is flowing to promote the idea of human caused GW. I would bet that it's in the billions of dollars and growing. Then we have the Kyoto protocol that the US has wisely stayed away from, and I hope we continue to stay away from it. That's another scam to get the US taxpayers to subsidize even more of what goes on in this world, even though we're bankrolling and feeding the world more than any other nation. They all hate us, but they just LOVE our money, and global warming hysteria most definitely has a huge finacial aspect to it. Make no mistake about that. The very fact that "carbon credits' are being sold is a red flag. It reminds me of the olden days when the Church used to sell indulgences to wealthy "sinners". That meant that basically, you could sin all you want (or let's say, burn all of the fossil fuels you want to), but if you had the cash, you could get out of purgatory faster (or, ease your conscience about polluting the environment and destroying all of thoe vulnerable little ozone molecules), and insure that you would never see hell (or, you won't be ridiculed for bring a GW hypocrite, because you're paying to clean up your own mess). It's the perfect analogy, and remember, indulgences caused a schism in the church, and played a huge role in laying the groundwork for the reformation, so maybe, just maybe, the carbon credit scheme will eventually open up the eyes of people that they're being scammed, and then they can go back to their previous lifestyle without having guilty consciences. Last edited by Betrade; 03-04-2007 at 01:17 PM.
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03-04-2007, 03:19 PM
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So someone makes $$$ off of pointing out obvious facts? Yes, he must have a vested interest in scaring people....
How many security consultants have made $$$ over playing on terrorism fears? I wonder...
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03-04-2007, 05:02 PM
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This seems akin to McAfee or Norton creating computer viruses.
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03-04-2007, 06:02 PM
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I often wonder why people act as though one persons' wrong actions are okay, as a result of someone else doing something wrong too. That logic makes no sense whatsoever. The fact that two wrongs don't make a right still stands, and always will. I've pointed out things that Bill Clinton (and many others, I'm just using Clinton because I though of him first) did, and then get a response like "Well, Bush did such and such, blah, blah blah". So what?? That doesn't make Clinton innocent of his own wrongdoings. All that proves is that Bush (or whoever) guilty of wrongdoing as well. Al has a vested interest in his enviro scare tactics, just as defense contractors have an interest in a perpetual war on terror. There's money to be made in many areas, and on the enviro issue, there's also something very compelling for certain types of personalities; control; whether it be through regulation or other means. Environmental regulation can go as deep as the perpetuators of it want it to. They can regulate many people right out of business iof they so choose 9and have already done), which means harming job creation, families, and entire industries. Disallowing people to build on their own land because of 'wetlands' is already a problem in many areas, and it can always get worse. that's equivelant to confiscating land, yet still making someone else pay the property taxes on it. I'm all for conservation. I'm an outdoorsman and always will be as long as I can still get out there, but I believe in sensible approaches to protecting the environment. perpetuating dubious "facts" is a bad approach. Being honest, sensible and efficient is a far better way to go. Hunters, fishermen, and outdoors people of all types are more than willing to pay all of the necessary fees to protect out wildlife, our rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. Every time a hunting or fishing license is sold, the money goes to protect the environment. Every time i pay five bucks to launch my boat into the bay, the DNR gets more money for research, conservation, etc. Most of us who use public lands for recreation have our own vested interest in keeping it as pristine as possible, if only because we want our kids and grandkids to enjoy the things that we're enjoying now. But constantly trying to convince people that the sky is falling has the opposite effect of what they're trying to accomplish. It's like the boy who cried wolf. We've been hearing these things forever, and those of us who are actually out there can see with our own eyes what's happening, as well as what isn't. Where I live, the wildlife populations have literally exploded over the last 3 or 4 decades. native fish have returned in abundance, and the deer population is so huge that they have to be hunted in order to ensure an adequate food supply for the herds. About 40,000 deer are killed by hunters every year in MD. That doesn't include the huge numbers killed by motor vehicles. When i was a kid, seeing a deer was a realtively rare occurence, but now, i see at least twenty a week just driving around. I've also been in two accidents involving deer as well because the population is so large. My favorite river to fish (the patapsco) was a polluted mess filled with raw sewage when I was a kid, and now it's as clear as a mountain stream, and absolutely teeming with bass, trout, sunnies, catfish, eels, turtles, beaver, blue and brown herons, belted kingfishers, mallards, geese, and even a few swans now and then. It's a beautiful place. We in America are one some of the few who actually do a damn good job cleaning up our messes, and we ALL have a vested interest in the environment. The most polluted places on earth are in the former Soviet Union and China; communist and former communist countries. I would bet that North korea and Cuba aren't much better. Capitalist countries do a far better job at cleaning the environmemnt than other systems, and America has always led the way. But trying to scare the pants off of people will never work in the long run, because eventually, no one will buy into it anymore, as a direct result of the dire predictions never coming to pass. The ones who are making the gains from it will have to come up with a new plan to control, regulate and tax us even more, because ultimately, that's what it's about.
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