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Redeemed! 10 Ways to Get Out of the Gay Life, If You Want Out
by Charlene E. Cothran, Venus Magazine Publisher


Over the past 29 years of my life I have been an aggressive, creative and strategic supporter of gay and lesbian issues. I’ve organized and participated in countless marches and various lobbying efforts in the fight for equal treatment of gay men and lesbians. I have kept current on the issues and made financial contributions to those organizations doing work about which I was most passionate.

As the publisher of a 13 year old periodical which targets Black gays and lesbians, I have had the opportunity to publicly address thousands, influencing closeted people to ‘come out’ and stand up for them selves, which is particularly difficult in the African-American community.

But now, I must come out of the closet again. I have recently experienced the power of change that came over me once I completely surrendered to the teachings of Jesus Christ. As a believer of the word of God, I fully accept and have always known that same-sex relationships are not what God intended for us.

I don’t expect that this message will be widely received, quite the contrary. But, I do know that there is someone, possibly reading this very article, who is tired and unhappy living this way. Someone, in your heart of hearts, is searching for a way out, but you just can’t seem to break free on your own. I am speaking to my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters who want real peace; the kind you’ve heard about, sung about, read about. It is simpler than you think to acquire it and there is no condemnation once you’ve entered it.

Although I have lived as a lesbian for my entire adult life, it is without a doubt my soul’s purpose to use my gifts to LOVINGLY share the truth about how we got here: how we came to be gay or lesbian, how we came to enjoy our ‘lifestyle’ and how we came to believe that this was OK with God. [Romans 1:21-28]

Many argue that each individual should determine for themselves what God intends for him or her. This would indicate that we each have a separate set of biblical rules to live by. This is untrue. If you are ready for change and willing to open yourself to the truth, God’s love can bring your current belief system in line with His Word. Jesus will cleanse and forgive all confessed sin from a willing heart. Homosexuality is only one of them. It is no greater sin than any of the others, but it is sin.

By now you’re asking, ‘Has she lost her mind? My answer is NO. I didn’t lose it, I gave it away! In fact, I traded it in for a new one! [Romans 12:1-2]

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http://www.venusmagazine.org/cover_story.html

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http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/03/ma...ccepts_chr.php
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Poor girl. Couldn't escape the Christian life. I hope she gets some help some day.
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Poor girl. Couldn't escape the Christian life. I hope she gets some help some day.

She probably will . The same could be said for you . What did she say so terrible ,Mr.Tolerant ?
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This article reminds me of the Chhech and Chong joke: "I used to be all messed up on drugs,now I'm all messed up on the Lord",meaning all the person did was trade one addiction for another.
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This article reminds me of the Chhech and Chong joke: "I used to be all messed up on drugs,now I'm all messed up on the Lord",meaning all the person did was trade one addiction for another.
Evidence that any drug can be harmful if not properly taken.

Dangerous dosages are the work of the devil.
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any drug can be harmful if not properly taken.
The same can be said about religion.
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"I have recently experienced the power of change that came over me once I completely surrendered to the teachings of Jesus Christ. As a believer of the word of God, I fully accept and have always known that same-sex relationships are not what God intended for us"
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So we can expect her to enter into heterosexual relationships from now on? With of course no sexual relations before marriage...

What a crock.She comes over as a sad lesbian who is too plain to get any action and turns to religion for comfort. Unfortunately the one she chose condemns her life style so she has to recant...let's see what her situation is in (say) five years time.

And she has the nerve to try and put guilt onto gays who don't need her brand of salvation and are happy with their lives.

Pitiful.
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Hah!

My suspicions confirmed:-

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How is one woman finding a path in life that makes her happier somehow translated as a threat to gays everywhere?

There's nothing wrong with her appearance, btw. She's an attractive woman.

This woman has made a choice, she's happy with it and she has opinions about it. As an individual, she's entitled to do all those things. She doesn't "owe" some group of people her choices, her happiness or her opinions.
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She's free to do what she wants, if she's happy, good for her. There's 10 ways I could get out of the the straight life, if I wanted out. I'd still be straight though, I'd just be doing dudes.
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How is one woman finding a path in life that makes her happier somehow translated as a threat to gays everywhere?
I agree. There shouldn't be a percieved threat...but...

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There's nothing wrong with her appearance, btw. She's an attractive woman.
Gotta disagree. I'm sure she has a "great personality" tho...
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How is one woman finding a path in life that makes her happier somehow translated as a threat to gays everywhere?

There's nothing wrong with her appearance, btw. She's an attractive woman.

This woman has made a choice, she's happy with it and she has opinions about it. As an individual, she's entitled to do all those things. She doesn't "owe" some group of people her choices, her happiness or her opinions.
I grew up around Bible-thumpers like her and they almost always have agendas they are stealth about.
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Gotta disagree. I'm sure she has a "great personality" tho...
no doubt she's 'beautiful on the inside' if nothing else
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I grew up around Bible-thumpers like her and they almost always have agendas they are stealth about.
even if she's a 'thumper' and even if she has an agenda, why should she curtail her behavior to some other group's specifications?

first off, it's hypocritical to use a group to force someone else to make personal choices catering to the group... isn't that the very thing gays typically complain about?

second, a person going around living their life without endangering others isn't the "enemy". that is the exact reasoning neo-nazis use to suggest annihiliating non-whites. they say that simply by going through life, working, getting married, having kids or whatever, these minorities are somehow "attacking" them and must be eliminated. what hideous reasoning!

even if this woman is a 'thumper' and 'thumps' at them in a magazine, who says gays have to buy it, read it or if they do, that they have to do what she suggests? can't they think? she can say that it worked for her and that's not an attack. people who are unduly upset by her having an opinion need to work on controlling themselves and their own reactions, not trying to control what she thinks or says. that's the way it works in a free society with civil rights and liberties for all.

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even if she's a 'thumper' and even if she has an agenda, why should she curtail her behavior to some other group's specifications?

first off, it's hypocritical to use a group to force someone else to make personal choices catering to the group... isn't that the very thing gays typically complain about?

second, a person going around living their life without endangering others isn't the "enemy". that is the exact reasoning neo-nazis use to suggest annihiliating non-whites. they say that simply by going through life, working, getting married, having kids or whatever, these minorities are somehow "attacking" them and must be eliminated. what hideous reasoning!

even if this woman is a 'thumper' and 'thumps' at them in a magazine, who says gays have to buy it, read it or if they do, that they have to do what she suggests? can't they think? she can say that it worked for her and that's not an attack. people who are unduly upset by her having an opinion need to work on controlling themselves and their own reactions, not trying to control what she thinks or says. that's the way it works in a free society with civil rights and liberties for all.
I just think people should be fully honest about what they are and I have reason to doubt that here.

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How is one woman finding a path in life that makes her happier somehow translated as a threat to gays everywhere?

There's nothing wrong with her appearance, btw. She's an attractive woman.

This woman has made a choice, she's happy with it and she has opinions about it. As an individual, she's entitled to do all those things. She doesn't "owe" some group of people her choices, her happiness or her opinions.
First logical (and free of personal attacks) post of the thread since I posted the thread. Good answer.
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How is one woman finding a path in life that makes her happier somehow translated as a threat to gays everywhere?

There's nothing wrong with her appearance, btw. She's an attractive woman.

This woman has made a choice, she's happy with it and she has opinions about it. As an individual, she's entitled to do all those things. She doesn't "owe" some group of people her choices, her happiness or her opinions.
You are right, she does not owe the gay community any of those things, she iis entitled to change her lifestyle if she desires to. However, just because she has made a personal choice and found god does not mean she has an obligation, or the right to "save" them. Let's not forget the sub-title of her article, "Ten Ways to get out of "the life" if you want out!", or the motivations of the person who posted it for that matter.
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You are right, she does not owe the gay community any of those things, she iis entitled to change her lifestyle if she desires to. However, just because she has made a personal choice and found god does not mean she has an obligation, or the right to "save" them. Let's not forget the sub-title of her article, "Ten Ways to get out of "the life" if you want out!", or the motivations of the person who posted it for that matter.
You might have a more valid point if she had said "Ten Ways to get out of "the life" whether you want to or not!" or "Ten ways to get out of "the life" because if you don't you're going to burn in hell!"

but in fact, the title is:
"Ten Ways to get out of "the life" if you want out!"

seemingly her target audience is people who are unhappily gay and might be interested in her suggestions.

Even if she had subtitled her essay with either of the other two pretend titles, however, she has a right to that opinion.
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