My anti-bush report (for school)

[Spazola]

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The latest credibly numbers I can find.

Results The leading causes of death in 2000 were tobacco (435 000 deaths; 18.1% of total US deaths), poor diet and physical inactivity (400 000 deaths; 16.6%), and alcohol consumption (85 000 deaths; 3.5%). Other actual causes of death were microbial agents (75 000), toxic agents (55 000), motor vehicle crashes (43 000), incidents involving firearms (29 000), sexual behaviors (20 000), and illicit use of drugs (17 000).
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...ct/291/10/1238

How many Americans has George Bush directly killed? Are you arguing that the numbers from 2000 have gone down so significantly....to below zero today?
If not your statement is false. If Bush killed anyone he'd be in prison.

If you had read through the rest of the thread, you will see that I explained that I wasn't meaning Bush DIRECTLY killed anyone....but his actions led to several deaths.

Murder is to kill with the intent of killing.

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=murder

Oh, ok. Sorry, mis-use of the word

The FAA warned the airlines in early 01.

The report discloses that the Federal Aviation Administration, despite being focused on risks of hijackings overseas, warned airports in the spring of 2001 that if "the intent of the hijacker is not to exchange hostages for prisoners, but to commit suicide in a spectacular explosion, a domestic hijacking would probably be preferable."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/po...&th&oref=login


The reports that Bush received were non-specific briefs that HE HAD REQUESTED.

It must also be noted that most of the threats reviewed were regarding overseas targets.

It must also be noted that during this 7 months that Bush was in office his administration was reformulating an effective policy on combatting terrorism.
This report was put on his desk within a few days of the 9/11 attacks.

Thats not what I read on CNN. Of course, if I had searched furthur, I probably would have found this information.
What site did you get this from? (just curious....I'll probably need to use it in the future )

Innocents die in every war. It's an unfortunate fact. Far less die in war now than in previous war because Americans care about the loss of innocent life. The US goes through extensive process to avoid hitting civilians unfortunately nothing is perfect.

What is your argument, that war is bad because innocents die?

Why are we at war with Iraq, right NOW? What is our point of being there?

This is easy. I don't recall the original goal being capturing Saddam, I recall it being several fold.

Once again, if you had read the rest of the thread, you will see that I corrected this part.

Wasn't this report of golf debunked already?

Not to my knowledge

He's now proposed FDR type programs to rebuild that area. What is the problem with that?

Now. Key word there. As far as I knew, when I wrote this report a few weeks ago, this had yet to happen.

Democrats used to stand for freedom, democray and human rights. Sadly they've become the selfish isolationists like the Republicans were at one time. The political parties have switched roles.

And this is relevant how...? I've already said once that I am not a democrat.

As an American, I am proud that we have liberated over 50 million in the past few years and have planted the seeds in other nations.

How do you feel about that fact?

That is a good thing. I was not opposed to the war at first. I'm opposed to our soldiers still being there (not that its the soldiers fault....they didn't ship themselves out).

He's not a king, he's just a President.

Really? I was completly unaware of that!!!

It was sarcasm.

How can a 13 year old posess so much hatred for one man? Is this due to your parents, teachers, or both?
Either way, it's unhealthy and just plain sad.

Believe me, I can be so much worse (not for Bush).

And of COURSE its because of parents and teachers! God forbid I form my OWN opinion. Its not like I have a mind of my own, or anything.

[Truth Teller]

I don't see why not - everyone else responds to yours.

CowPunk is right.

I really dont know why people continue to support him? He will probably be known as the worst president in HISTORY ever.

I agree 100%.

I don't think I said "George Bush killed a million people". What I was saying was, between 9/11 and the war, millions of people died while he was president. Or thats what I was trying to say, anyway.

Many more Americans have died in almost five years of George Bush than died during eight years of Bill Clinton.

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As always, I’m sure our country understands. Even though a large number of people died and their families were torn apart as a result of little Georgie's poor leadership,we still love him! LONG LIVE KING GEORGE!

It seems that we do have a new religious cult in this country called "Bushism" .

In it George Bush is God incarnate and can do no wrong and should not be crticized.

I think this cult is more dangerious than the Moonies.

Spaz I like the way you think, preach on. Seriously you have to have something wrong to beleive george is even a decent president. **** if this were another job his ass would be fired in no time.

I agree 100 %.

Some people against the war want to see America lose.

Some people against the war support the "insurgency".

What would you call these people?

Somebody ask Toe Jam if he is bocephus incognito?

[Spazola]

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As always, I’m sure our country understands. Even though a large number of people died and their families were torn apart as a result of little Georgie's poor leadership,we still love him! LONG LIVE KING GEORGE!

There. Happy?

that is actually better.

[Silent man]

Ta-da! I was supposed to pick some kind of political issue that was bothering me, so I picked George W. Bush's existance.

Bush; America’s Number One Killer?
George W. Bush.....America’s most beloved murderer.

Our current president, George W. Bush, had a rocky start to his reign in 2001, when the worst terror attack in American history was committed on the World Trade Center. It was later found that several Federal Aviation Administration memo’s warned of a possible attack from al Qaeda or Osama bin Laden, and no extra security measures were ordered.

That was found to have been under Clinton, who did nothing for his last year, and even allowed America to have one of her ships almost sunk by terrorists and still did nothing. In fact, under Clinton, we suffered more terrorist attacks than under any President to date. False analogy and misleading

Grade:F

In 2003, our leader declared a “war on terror” with Iraq. Though he stated that the innocent would be spared and respected, thousands of random passerby were killed. Even though we have fulfilled our original goal to capture Saddam Hussein, America still has soldiers in Iraq. "These brave men and women gave their lives for a cause that is just and necessary for the safety of the country, and now we will honor their sacrifice by completing the mission." he stated in Idaho, August 25, 2005. But what exactly IS the mission? Will we ever know?

Again, false, the war on terror was declared in 2001 against all those who harbor terrorists and support terrorism, and that is when the assault on the Taliban began.

It is a well known fact that Iran is the largest supporter of terrorism in the world, it is possible that Iraq, one of the next great supporters of terrorism, (First WTC bombing of 1993, Project BOJINKA 1998, OKC 1995, ) was attacked first because they were weaker and smaller and provided a base from which to launch the inevitable attack against Iran before they acquire nuclear weapons since we also control the air and land on Iran's east after destroying the Taliban.

Also misleading is the statement that thousands of 'passersby' were killed as if they were killed through wanton acts of criminal negligence. Statements like that are indistinguishable from propaganda spoken in Islamic media. Great care has been taken to minimize the civilian deaths in American wars, and this war was no exception. WWII is not applicable in the argment; ie, (Dresden, Berlin, Hiroshima) for those nations were already engaging in total destruction before the US entered into a war status with them.

Also misleading is the lack of "what the mission is". It is clear that a stable friendly government that does not support Islamic Terrorism is the goal, and the continued fighting that occurs is designed to route out Islamic terror cells and para-military groups that support those acts. While sucess is easy to define, it is most difficult to achieve, for it is a war against an ideal/religion, not a politic. The President made that clear when he said it was a war that may endure for a generation. Any honst thinker must see this. To state that the mission is not clear is to not engage in critical thinking and to only hold to sound bite analysis.

Again GRADE:F

Now, in September of 2005, a destructive hurricane has destroyed New Orleans, killing thousands of people. American citizens are coming together, donating clean water and food, and volunteering to help clean up the disaster area. But what is our fearless leader doing? “The President of the United States had flown his plane down to 1700 feet to get a better look at the flood damage! And there was a photo of our Commander-in-Chief looking out the window. He looked very serious and concerned.” said one report on September 1rst. On September 2nd, George enjoyed a nice, relaxing game of golf. How helpful!

President Bush declared the area a disaster area before the hurricane even made landfall in NOLA, The Governor refused to evacuate the city, the Mayor refused to use city transportation to evacuate the most vulnerable and refused an offer by AMTRAK to use trains to evacuate those who desired to leave, and Federal Government pre-staged men and material awaiting the Governor to declare an emergency before the levees broke and innundated the city, so, once again, that paragraph is filled with false statments that do not measure up to the facts that the rest of the world already agrees happened.

Your lack of factual understanding displayed in your short essay shows you did not do enough research. In fact, it looks like you didn't do any research at all.

This essay so far fails to present the truth in each paragraph, and goes way beyond personal opinion of a particular policy.

Again GRADE:F

As always, I’m sure our country understands. Even though, when you add it all up, little Georgie’s reign resulted in millions of deaths and families torn apart, we still love him! LONG LIVE KING GEORGE!

Discuss.

The only thing to discuss is the total lack of honest discussion of what is really going on here. This short essay was incorrect on all points, contained more opinion than fact, and failed all points presented when compared to the actual facts of the events the essay tried to present.

GRADE:F

[Ras Bizarre High]

That was found to have been under Clinton, who did nothing for his last year, and even allowed America to have one of her ships almost sunk by terrorists and still did nothing.

How can they be terrorists if they attacked a military target?

still did nothing.

Are you talking about Clinton or Reagan, the one who got us embroiled in Lebanon's civil war and then turned tail and ran after 200 marines got blown up in Beirut?

[PeoplesChamp]

...President Bush declared the area a disaster area before the hurricane even made landfall in NOLA, The Governor refused to evacuate the city, the Mayor refused to use city transportation to evacuate the most vulnerable and refused an offer by AMTRAK to use trains to evacuate those who desired to leave, and Federal Government pre-staged men and material awaiting the Governor to declare an emergency before the levees broke and innundated the city, so, once again, that paragraph is filled with false statments that do not measure up to the facts that the rest of the world already agrees happened.

The Mayor of NOLA said on Meet the Press that he knew nothing of Amtrak's offer to use trains to evacuate.

[Silent man]

How can they be terrorists if they attacked a military target?

Are you talking about Clinton or Reagan, the one who got us embroiled in Lebanon's civil war and then turned tail and ran after 200 marines got blown up in Beirut?

The Murrah Federal Building, the World Trade Center (1993) and 2 American EMbasies are not military targets.

And attacking military targets is an act of war, and outright, clear act of war. Clinton just sat there.

And Reagan angered a LOT of people by pulling out after the Iranian sponsored and created Hizbollah did that.

[Silent man]

The Mayor of NOLA said on Meet the Press that he knew nothing of Amtrak's offer to use trains to evacuate.

I hadn't heard that. But, the mayor cannot escape his failure to ask, or his failure to use city buses and failure to use school buses

ALSO, he had the authrity to declare martial law on his own, prevented Red Cross workers entrance into the Superdome...

The list goes on, Bush is not the one at fault here.

[BooRadley]

Where are the source notes? Where is the evidence/facts to back up these hysterical claims?

Hahaha. This is a short 7th grade essay. You want source notes and evidence? Unless you're eighty and can't remember the 7th grade, you're being hysterical.

You guys shouldn't be encouraging her just because you like the fact that she is smearing George Bush.

You shouldn't attack her just because she isn't worshipping George Bush.

No. She did a poor job. I think its more gentlemanly to tell her the truth so that she reconsiders her topic and rewrites the paper and learns more and gets a better grade than to support just because she is part of the anti-Bush cult.

It's best to note that she did a good job, for the level of writing being taught, that to attack and smear her just because she isn't part of the Bush-worshipping Cult.

Actually no its a fact. Any unbiased teacher would have given that paper a poor grade.

Ah, that explains a lot. You don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion.

No, it shows I'm not part of the anti-Bush cult and willing to speak the truth.

It shows you're a part of the Bush-worshipping cult and unable to differentiate between a fact and an opinion, and you expect 7th graders to write college papers -- at least if they question your right-wing cult leader.

By the way, before you start to whine about how silly my above rhetoric is, remember that it's actually your silly rhetoric.

Looks like that in order to develop their brains people must be told to wriite stuff defending their opponents position.
Only this way they will understand what is a a prove and a argument and what is just a statement based on - I know that it's so...

That's true. They made us do that in debate class. It's decidedly a good exercize.

[JustAGirl]

I completely agree with you Boo as you touched on all the same points as I in response to rubicon who by the way, hasn't made it back into this thread for awhile now.

[Patrician]

I said his reign RESULTED in millions of deaths. I didn't say George Bush picked up a gun and shot a million people

Red herring. You are saying Bush is responsible for the deaths. You still must back up this absurd statement with facts.

[Patrician]

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As always, I’m sure our country understands. Even though a large number of people died and their families were torn apart as a result of little Georgie's poor leadership,we still love him! LONG LIVE KING GEORGE!

There. Happy?

You still have to back that up with some kind of evidence, you are making the same claim, its just less specific.

[Patrician]

There are alot of wars that had nothing to do with us. I guess its just our nature to get in other peopes sh*t

So simplistic. The year isn't 1389. We don't live in that kind of world anymore. What you are talking about could be named the ostrich policy.

[Patrician]

Why do you think Bush is a good president?

His war on terror, invasion of Iraq, some of his domestic policy...

[Patrician]

Hahaha. This is a short 7th grade essay. You want source notes and evidence? Unless you're eighty and can't remember the 7th grade, you're being hysterical.

Actually I wrote my first 10 page paper including source notes in 5th grade. It was on the founding of the state of Virginia. If your kid is in 7th grade and has yet to write a lengthy paper requiring source notes, you gotta get your kid into another school. That is just unacceptable.

You shouldn't attack her just because she isn't worshipping George Bush.

You shouldn't be basing yoru arguments on staw men.

It's best to note that she did a good job, for the level of writing being taught, that to attack and smear her just because she isn't part of the Bush-worshipping Cult.

She did not do a good job. I did not smear anyone, she smeared Bush. ROFL Bush cult? I didn't even vote for Bush. Wise up.

Ah, that explains a lot. You don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion.

You are denying reality to throw your support behind someone who is part of your anti-bush cult. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

It shows you're a part of the Bush-worshipping cult

ROFL! I didn't even vote for the guy, yet I "worship" him? LOL!

and unable to differentiate between a fact and an opinion,

I think you just aren't able to forward a valid argument so you are trying to smear me.

and you expect 7th graders to write college papers -- at least if they question your right-wing cult leader.

Putting words in my mouth? Where did I ever say anything about college papers? And questioning? Who was questioning anything? Making up obvious lies and smears is not questioning- its a sign of being brainwashed.

By the way, before you start to whine about how silly my above rhetoric is, remember that it's actually your silly rhetoric.

Sorry, I don't use rhetoric.

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Somebody ask Toe Jam if he is bocephus incognito?

Remember back when you claimed bocephus was Powerboss? Stop the madness.

[Spazola]

You still have to back that up with some kind of evidence, you are making the same claim, its just less specific.

Did George W. Bush,or did he not, claim the war in Iraq? Did, or did not, several people die?
If he called the war, I think that makes him atleast PARTLY responsible, do you disagree?

Actually I wrote my first 10 page paper including source notes in 5th grade. It was on the founding of the state of Virginia. If your kid is in 7th grade and has yet to write a lengthy paper requiring source notes, you gotta get your kid into another school. That is just unacceptable.

Say that my mother's teaching is unacceptable all you want. You, fortunantly, are not one of the state test people that tells her whether or not I'm learning enough. According to them, I'm right up to grade level.

She did not do a good job. I did not smear anyone, she smeared Bush.

I never denied that I was smearing Bush.
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[coral100cor]

I never denied that I was smearing Bush.

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And tha't not a base for a "report".

Your paper should be called "some thought about why I hate Bush".

[BooRadley]

Man, the hate from the right-wingers against anyone who question George Bush is creepy. They'll even attack and smear little kids just because they hate anyone who isn't in their cult