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    This is some chilling stuff... read at your own risk!

    Many of you will, I am sure, have heard of the Nuremberg trials (of the most senior Nazis) but there were many other lesser war criminals tried and in some cases executed by the Allies after the war. In total, 5025 men and women were convicted of war crimes between 1945 and 1949 in the American, British and French zones, by Allied War Crimes Tribunals. Many of the staff from the concentration camps were arrested and tried for murder and acts of brutality against their prisoners. Over 500 of these were sentenced to death and the majority executed, at least 19 of these were female.

    It was decided that those sentenced to die should suffer death by hanging although no standard execution protocol was agreed. Each country carried out executions in accordance with its normal procedure. This led to the use of British style measured drop hanging in private for those executed in the British sector, slow hanging in public or private for those in the Polish and Russian sectors and standard drop hanging in semi-private for those executed by the Americans at Nuremberg, Dachau and Landsberg. Some of the American hangings were televised and shown on the news.

    Executions under British jurisdiction at Hameln jail.

    A total of 64 men and women were hanged at Hameln Prison (near Hanover) in Germany under British jurisdiction. The executions were carried out by Albert Pierrepoint who was flown in specially on each occasion. Generally he was assisted by Regimental Sergeant Major O'Neil who was a member of the Control Commission there. The hangings took place in a purpose built execution room at the end of one of the prison's wings. The gallows having been specially constructed by the Royal Engineers to allow the execution of prisoners in pairs. Pierrepoint carried out over 200 executions of war criminals in all.

    Belsen Concentration Camp staff.

    Bergen-Belsen was started as late as April 1943 in Lower Saxony near the city of Celle as a transit centre. It was turned into a concentration camp by its second commandant, SS-Hauptsturmführer Josef Kramer and was used to house those prisoners who had become too weak to work as forced labour in German factories. It was liberated by the British army on April 15th 1945. The British soldiers found 10,000 unburied corpses and 40,000 sick and dying prisoners of whom a staggering 28,000 subsequently died after liberation.
    As a result of these atrocities 45 former members of staff from Bergen-Belsen, including some inmates who had taken part in acts of brutality against other prisoners, were charged with either being responsible for the murder of Allied nationals or the suffering of those in Bergen-Belsen in Germany (first count) or Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland, (see below for details of this camp) (second count). Some defendants were charged with both counts.
    The accused comprised 16 men and 16 women, including Josef Kramer, Belsen's commandant, plus 12 former prisoners (seven men and five women).
    The Belsen Trial as it was known was conducted by the British Military Tribunal at No. 30 Lindentrasse, Lünburg, in Germany from September 17th to November 17th 1945 under court President Major-General H.M.P. Berney-Ficklin, sitting with five other officers. The prosecution was in the hands of a team of four military lawyers and each prisoner was represented by counsel. All the prisoners were tried together and sat in the large dock, each wearing a number on their chest.
    On the afternoon of November 16th the verdicts were delivered. 31 prisoners were convicted on one or both counts and 14 acquitted of all charges. Irma Grese and Elisabeth Volkenrath were found guilty on both counts, Juana Bormann guilty only on the second charge. The following day the sentences were read out to the prisoners. 11 of them were sentenced to death and 19 others to various terms of imprisonment.
    The death sentences were pronounced as follows by Major-General Berney-Ficklin:
    "No. 1 Kramer, 2 Klein, 3 Weingartner, 5 Hoessler, 16 Francioh, 22 Pichen, 25 Stofel, 27 Dorr. The sentence of this Court on each one of you whom I have just named is that you suffer death by being hanged".
    He then passed sentence on the women as follows "No. 6 Bormann, 7 Volkenrath, 9 Grese. The sentence of this court is that you suffer death by being hanged." Click here for photos.
    The sentence was translated for them into German as "Tode durch den strang", literally death by the rope. All eleven of the condemned appealed to the convening officer, Field-Marshal Montgomery who rejected their appeals for clemency. They were taken to Hameln jail in Wesfalia to await execution and housed in a row of tiny cells along a corridor with the execution chamber at its end. The eleven from Belsen had been joined by two other men sentenced for crimes committed elsewhere.
    The executions were set for Friday December 13th 1945 and were to be carried out at half hour intervals, starting at 9.34 a.m. with Irma Grese, who at 21 was the youngest of the condemned prisoners, followed by Elisabeth Volkenrath at 10.03 a.m. and Juana Bormann at 10.38 a.m. The men, including Joseph Kramer, were hanged in pairs afterwards, all 13 executions being completed by 1.00 p.m. In view of the proximity of the condemned cells to the gallows each one of them must have heard the preceding hangings.
    For a detailed account of Irma Grese's case click here.
    Elisabeth Volkenrath was 26 years old. She was convicted of numerous murders and made selections for the gas chamber. She was described as the most hated woman in the camp. Juana Bormann was known as 'the woman with the dogs', who took sadistic pleasure in setting her wolfhounds on prisoners to tear them to pieces.
    The afternoon before execution each prisoner was weighed so the correct drop could be calculated for them. Irma Grese smiled at Pierrepoint when he asked her age. Elisabeth Volkenrath was steady but looked nervous and Juana Borman limped down the corridor looking old and haggard. She was forty-two years old, only a little over five feet high, and at a 101 lbs. had the weight of a child. She was trembling as she was put her on the scale. In German she said "I have my feelings", Pierrepoint recalled in his autobiography.
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    Kind of interesting that this post was viewed 30 time but there were no comments.

    Well I will say that I found the whole thing shocking. Some of the photos of the women being hanged were perticularly shocking.

    You see, that women would choose evil as a vocation and then pay for it with their lives is an amazing concept.

    A number of these women were young. They were attractive and could have had a full life ahead of them. What they chose instead was to follow the way of the Swastika and take part in the worst crimes against humanity.

    Its a very sad state situation indeed!
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    I am sick and tired of people thinking that a time in history is such a big deal....That is how people lived then...Not now...This is called progress...History is to learn from not bash about.

    No one would ever have anything to talk about if we humans were always just good people..That is why there are always rotten ones...I think there are still cultures that live like back then ans much before then...Look at the Saudis they haven't changed a bit...I don't hear anyone saying anything about the fact that they still live in the dark ages and commit some of the most bigoted crimes against people today!!!!
    Sorry had to vent I am sick of reading all the same garbage

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    just becuase people don't talk about it as frequently as they do the holocaust doesn't mean that it is not horrible as well.
    they talk about the holocaust the way they do because of the severity of it, and becuase it is most definetly something to learn from. Germany denied it for a long time, and if it is not taught or spoken of then the many many many innocent individuals who lost their lives would have been forgotten. And their deaths would be in vain.
    Bigoted crimes today are just as horrible as if they were commited 60 years ago.. Hate is hate no matter how you cut it or what time era it is.

    Criminal I to found it shocking.. and I am at the same time.. in awe that they would do it that way...

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    Originally posted by loudin1
    just becuase people don't talk about it as frequently as they do the holocaust doesn't mean that it is not horrible as well.
    they talk about the holocaust the way they do because of the severity of it, and becuase it is most definetly something to learn from. Germany denied it for a long time, and if it is not taught or spoken of then the many many many innocent individuals who lost their lives would have been forgotten. And their deaths would be in vain.
    Bigoted crimes today are just as horrible as if they were commited 60 years ago.. Hate is hate no matter how you cut it or what time era it is.

    Criminal I to found it shocking.. and I am at the same time.. in awe that they would do it that way...
    Excellent post loudin.
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    Good, they hanged the Nazis. When are they going after the Commies?

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    Originally posted by Tailgunner
    Good, they hanged the Nazis. When are they going after the Commies?
    What I have been saying for years.

    The only problem is that Joe Stalin fought on the winning side and had the right not to be brought to Justice.

    In the Soviet Union today are some surviving members of Stalin's death squads that mass murdered millions. They are left to live their dying years in comfort.

    To my knowledge, some countries did put communists secret policemen on trial, but usually had little success. This happened in Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary. In Czechoslovakia a couple of high ranking party leaders were tried but acquitted. In Poland the government gave up, finding that the public was apathetic to the whole idea. Only in Germany was there any real justice for the ex-communist terror leaders and even this justice was mild when compared to the great trials of the Nazis.

    One of the real problems faced by bringing former communist leaders to justice was the fact that many members of the government and industry are ex-communists. In able to succeed in any endevor, whether its business, industry or government or even the church, people needed to collaborate with the communist authorities. The true dissidents had little future in post communist nations. Its true that some leaders such as Vaclav Havel did get power (though Havel was more of a figurehead than an actual leader), most people who suffered imprisonment, torture or persecution for their beliefs lived ordinary lives afterwards.

    My wife, who lived in Czechoslovakia under communism told me a rather funny story. In Czech society few people played an active role in the underground, and those who did were usually known. The secret police kept extensive files on these people. They could not get decent jobs. They could not attent college. They could not get good places to live. Their own family and friends would not associate with them. After the collapse of communism these same people remained poor and without futures. Some of them continue to live in extreme poverty. Now the same people who were spys for the secret police, the same people who were in the party, the same people who marched in the parades and waved the red flags, they are today the successful business people. It is them who have the training, the knowledge and the education. They simply threw out their communst badges and medles and now talk about the greatness of capitalism.

    One interesting story was how a local politician (a right wing, pro-capitalist one) told a group of people how he had couragously opposed the communists. My wife knew many people in the underground and none of them ever saw this guy before. It was like "Where were you when we were being arrested?"

    Its like, the people who shout the loudest tend to be the people who did the least.
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    Crim,

    Has your wife ever talked to you about the socalist uprising in '68 that was crushed by the Russians?
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    I wish they had handed Ilse Koch over to the Russians. And not the Russian authorities. I wish they handed her over to the Russian infantry.

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    Originally posted by Truth Teller
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    Has your wife ever talked to you about the socalist uprising in '68 that was crushed by the Russians?
    Indeed everyone from that country does. My wife was born in 1969 but knows all of the stories.

    Its like this....

    Following WW II, the Czech and Slovak lands were ruled by the Soviets. Czechoslovakia had mirrored the Soviet State more than any nation in europe. Then in the 60s things changed.

    68 brought the Summer of Love. The Paris Strike happened then. The entire world knew what was happening and so did the Czechs and Slovaks.

    A Slovakian Communist, Alexander Dubcek announced new reforms. The press was liberalized. Underground press and political movements were allowed. Prisoners were freed. The borders with Austria and Germany were opened.

    For the young people this meant that free love and free drugs were allowed. The youth played guitars, grew long hair, smoked dope and spoke about love, peace and freedom. Czech girls wore mini skirts, put flowers in their hair and love was in the air. Love was everywhere.

    The happy dream was crushed by Soviet Tanks. The Soviet, East German, Polish, Hungarian and Bulgarian armies entered the country. They arrested the government and ended the dream.

    Czechs and Slovaks lost their freedom and the dream of Socialism with a Human face died forever. It was as if the words of George Orwell had came true, "If you want to know the future, immagine a boot stomping on a human face."
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    Originally posted by Criminal
    Kind of interesting that this post was viewed 30 time but there were no comments.

    Well I will say that I found the whole thing shocking. Some of the photos of the women being hanged were perticularly shocking.

    You see, that women would choose evil as a vocation and then pay for it with their lives is an amazing concept.

    A number of these women were young. They were attractive and could have had a full life ahead of them. What they chose instead was to follow the way of the Swastika and take part in the worst crimes against humanity.

    Its a very sad state situation indeed!
    They were bad, but not as bad as the Japs and the Communists. Stalin killed 30 million or more of his own people, and most of his General officer staff because of effective German psychological warfare that had Stalin believing his highest ranking officers were plotting against him.

    The Communists were beasts, and the Nazis, as bad as they were, could have taken lessons from them.

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    Originally posted by Tailgunner


    They were bad, but not as bad as the Japs and the Communists. Stalin killed 30 million or more of his own people, and most of his General officer staff because of effective German psychological warfare that had Stalin believing his highest ranking officers were plotting against him.

    The Communists were beasts, and the Nazis, as bad as they were, could have taken lessons from them.
    I would not disagree. Stalin was so terrible that many Russians begged to join Hitler's army even though Hitler hated Russians. It has been suggested by historians that would Hitler not have been so mean to the Russians, then he could have easly toppled Stalin.

    Uncle Joe was a beast, pure and simple. Unlike the Nazis, the Soviets did not focus their attention to one race or group of people. Rather, the great terror of Joe Stalin cut across the board of Soviet Society. Nobody was save from Stalin's evil.

    Stalin did not really have extermination camps like Hitler did. Its true that there were mass murders (such as the mass killing of Polish officers in the Katyn forest) but mostly he sought to get results from his victims. Thus the Soviets had the worlds largest slave labor force. In far off regions like the Kolyma, millions of people were worked to their deaths. In Kolyma alone 1 million people perished between 1936 and 1941.

    But the reason we do not know the names of the Stalinist butchers and do know the names of people like Adolph Eichmann is because the Nazis lost and the Russians won.
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    Those women were hardened cruel bitches, i recall my mum telling me how she had heard how these women officers in the camps would think nothing of crushing a crying babies head in with those horrible boots they wore or let alone thought nothing of kicking pregnant or ill prisoners to death.
    They deserved the fate they got.

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    Let the bitches hang

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    Stalin was choosen recently by the Russian people as the greatest Russian who ever lived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticj View Post
    ...Look at the Saudis they haven't changed a bit...I don't hear anyone saying anything about the fact that they still live in the dark ages and commit some of the most bigoted crimes against people today!
    Saudi Arabia is a modern country, with modern buildings, facilities, etc. Maybe you should stop be so bigoted and culturally prejudiced. I don't want to use the word "ignorant" but only because it is such an insulting term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loudin1 View Post
    Bigoted crimes today are just as horrible as if they were commited 60 years ago.. Hate is hate no matter how you cut it or what time era it is.
    Fast forward to Gaza the past month?

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