The Holder-Corzine connection

[Cyclone Ranger]

I am applying the same standards that blacks, homos, asians, mexis, etc apply. If someone doesn't agree with me then I call them racist thereby winning the argument.

You are probabaly a racist too.

Those are bogus standards you pulled out of your ass, not anything that exists in reality.

[hadit]

What destroyed their lives was lawless criminal gangs south of the border, who will continue to do so with impunity unless brave men like Holder do something about it, which he did.

Right, he gave them guns and stood back, waiting for them to kill people. Face reality, if we were going to make mass arrests from this program, we would have done it by now. This was a total flop, and worse.

[hadit]

Dumbass, Obama invoked PRESIDENTIAL deliberative process in his EP claim; ie, the preconditions that the matter has substantial POTUS involvement and protects national security interests.

It had absolutely nothing to do with Holder's claim that the documents can't be subpeonaed because they're DOJ work product.

Like we thought, Obama is in this up to his eyeballs.

[DngrMse]

Like we thought, Obama is in this up to his eyeballs.

And over his head....this is what happens when you put a dope smoking high school dropout in charge of the country. He and his 'Choom Gang' were, and are, a gaggle of half-wit losers.

But hey, hope n' change, right?

[Cyclone Ranger]

Right, he gave them guns and stood back, waiting for them to kill people. Face reality, if we were going to make mass arrests from this program, we would have done it by now. This was a total flop, and worse.

Total bullshit. It took over ten years to build cases against domestic mobsters like Gotti and Gigante sufficient to gain convictions. It won't take less time to go after powerful syndicates in a foreign jurisdictiom.

[Cyclone Ranger]

No, this is what happens when a brilliant Harvard Law Review alumnae takes over the reins of power, instead of a cocaine-snorting alcoholic draft-dodger who failed at everything his whole life long (until his Dad bought him the Presidency, that is).

You get action taken on difficult national security issues like the Mexican cartels, instead of incompetent cronies running FEMA.

[DngrMse]

No, this is what happens when a brilliant Harvard Law Review alumnae takes over the reins of power, instead of a cocaine-snorting alcoholic draft-dodger who failed at everything his whole life long (until his Dad bought him the Presidency, that is).

You get action taken on difficult national security issues like the Mexican cartels, instead of incompetent cronies running FEMA.

Orly? So go ahead and cite some of his academic records then. I dare you.

[Cyclone Ranger]

He was elected President of Harvard Law Review, and held scholarships.

[DngrMse]

He was elected President of Harvard Law Review, and held scholarships.

Seriously...show the dope smoker in chief's actual academic records. How did he get into Columbia? What grades did he earn? Why is that no one from his class even remembers him?

He held scholarships? That's your answer?

President 'Choom Gang' got other people to pay for another six years of smoking dope, and drinking himself blind...that's quite an accomplishment...but do you -really- think that qualifies him to be the leader of the free world?

[caddis]

No, this is what happens when a brilliant Harvard Law Review alumnae

You can't disperse that lie without a shred of proof. If he was "brilliant" he'd release his transcripts

You get action taken on difficult national security issues like the Mexican cartels

Have you completely ignored all the facts surrounding F&F??? Action for the sake of action is a meaningless argument. What we are discussing is the actual action taken and the results gained. The action taken was a program VASTLY worse then the previous gun walking program that was considered a failure. The results were vastly worse then the previous failed program. Hundreds dead, 2 federal agents dead, no arrests ...at least the previous failed program had 1400 arrests.



We call such a bungled operation and failed administration "criminal negligence"

[Cyclone Ranger]

Bullshit.

The course selection alone would simply fuel more conspiracy nonsense.

[Cyclone Ranger]

There were the same number of shootings and murders as the cartels committed before the gunwalking program.

Nor would have any fewer murders happened without the gunwalking program. The Mexican Mafia already had plenty of guns.

[hadit]

Total bullshit. It took over ten years to build cases against domestic mobsters like Gotti and Gigante sufficient to gain convictions. It won't take less time to go after powerful syndicates in a foreign jurisdictiom.

You're hoping and wishing that is the case. There is no evidence that it is. Bush started this idea years ago and wisely decided it was a bad idea. No arrests yet made and lives are destroyed. Good one.

[hadit]

There were the same number of shootings and murders as the cartels committed before the gunwalking program.

Nor would have any fewer murders happened without the gunwalking program. The Mexican Mafia already had plenty of guns.

Johns will continue using prostitutes with or without police sting operations, yet there are laws governing the extent to which police can go in entrapping said johns. Arsonists will continue burning things down, but you should not knowingly give an arson a can of gasoline and a lighter. Bank robbers will continue robbing banks with or without your help, but if you drive the getaway car, you get nailed too. Face reality, we HELPED them kill those people. HELPED them do it, with nothing whatsoever to show for it but a cowering admin. Ptooey.

[hadit]

Bullshit.

The course selection alone would simply fuel more conspiracy nonsense.

Yet Romney is supposed to release his tax information. Brother.

[Pappy&Me]

Obombs has always been a friend to criminals,racist,self loathing libs and deadbeats,thats who elected him,imo.

[Cyclone Ranger]

You're hoping and wishing that is the case. There is no evidence that it is.

LOL! There was no "evidence" the FBI's operations against the far less murderous American would be successful, until Gotti, Nigro, and Gigante were convicted. So it will be with their Mexican counterparts.

Bush started this idea years ago and wisely decided it was a bad idea. No arrests yet made and lives are destroyed. Good one.

Lives are constantly being destroyed by the Mexican cartels, and they will continue to be unless brave leaders like Obama and Holder put an end to them.

Because of the Mexican justice syatem's legendary corruption, that will only happen as a result of programs like F&F.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Johns will continue using prostitutes with or without police sting operations, yet there are laws governing the extent to which police can go in entrapping said johns.

And there are also laws greatly limiting the extent to which we can pursue criminals operating in foreign jurisdictions, even corrupt ones in bed with gangsters, such as Mexico. Hence, sting operations like F&F to gather evidence are necessary.

Arsonists will continue burning things down, but you should not knowingly give an arson a can of gasoline and a lighter.

If it's necessary to arrest and convict him, you should. Similar undercover operations happen all over the country every day.

Bank robbers will continue robbing banks with or without your help

Even if they do, they do so on domestic soil, where we can bring the full power of the American law enforcement system to bear on bringing them to justice. Not so with the Mexican crime syndicates.

but if you drive the getaway car, you get nailed too.

Irrelevant. Getaway cars are driven to evade justice, not in pursuit of justice interests.

Law enforcement is always given more leeway to jail criminals than criminals are given to escape law enforcement, for obvious reasons.

Face reality, we HELPED them kill those people. HELPED them do it, with nothing whatsoever to show for it but a cowering admin. Ptooey.

No, we didn't. Your analogy is bogus. And, the DOJ will have something to show for it when the time is right, not before.

[Powerboss]

Dumbass, Obama invoked PRESIDENTIAL deliberative process in his EP claim; ie, the preconditions that the matter has substantial POTUS involvement and protects national security interests.

It had absolutely nothing to do with Holder's claim that the documents can't be subpeonaed because they're DOJ work product.

Once again, I've provided 2 separate sources which take my side of things, where are your sources? You're always whining about "evidence".....where is yours? You don't have any. As usual, you just talk out your ass. You've been caught in another lie, like Obama, and instead of being a man and admitting you're wrong, you dig in and lie more. You're pathetic.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Read your source again. It doesn't say what you seem to think it does.