The Holder-Corzine connection

[Cyclone Ranger]

As part of a DOJ effort to prosecute them, sure. It's not as if the Mexican mob wasn't going to kill them anyways

[Cyclone Ranger]

And how did they plan on tracking those weapons without even bothering to inform the Mexican government what they were doing?

Don't have security clearance, so I can't say. They probably have intelligence assets within the cartels with which to spot them.

[hadit]

Don't have security clearance, so I can't say. They probably have intelligence assets within the cartels with which to spot them.

How'd that work out for them? How many arrests did the program generate again?

[Powerboss]

I'm not Cowpunk.

Also, as usual, you don't understand shit about the law. Holder's deliberative process claim covers HOLDER, while Obama's EP claim only covers the POTUS.

You're lying again. Holder, via request from Holder to requesting Obama claiming EP, is clearly hiding something. They're claiming it's "deliberative process" EP material.

[DngrMse]

As part of a DOJ effort to prosecute them, sure. It's not as if the Mexican mob wasn't going to kill them anyways

You seem awfully cavalier with the lives of young children. Would you feel the same if this was an operation conducted under the supervision of a conservative administration?

[Sangroid]

Evidence?

I said that he was racist....isn't that enough?

[Cyclone Ranger]

I said that he was racist....isn't that enough?

Obviously not.

[Cyclone Ranger]

You seem awfully cavalier with the lives of young children. Would you feel the same if this was an operation conducted under the supervision of a conservative administration?

The children and other victims of the cartels would still be dead, whether or not F&F ever existed.

[Cyclone Ranger]

You're lying again. Holder, via request from Holder to requesting Obama claiming EP, is clearly hiding something. They're claiming it's "deliberative process" EP material.

You are a dolt.

The EP claim made by the President is unrelated to the deliberative process claim. One states that the documents are protected from subpeona as DOJ work product; the other invokes national security concerns and presidential involvement.

The work product defense is highly legally controversial, while the EP claim is not, as it was clarified by a SCOTUS decision.

[DngrMse]

The children and other victims of the cartels would still be dead, whether or not F&F ever existed.

Proof?

And if you don't mind...you seem awfully cavalier about the deaths of innocent people.

How do you manage to look yourself in the mirror each morning? Is protecting Obama worth so many dead children? Is there an upper limit to the number of dead bodies at all?

Kind of funny, considering he won a nobel peace prize...for being half black, then plays an instrumental role in seeing little kids gunned down with weapons he transferred to the murderers that pulled the trigger. Hope and Change? Transparency? And you want to give that man another four years?

But heck...you don't seem particularly interested in getting to the bottom of this. Like TT, (self professed bigot), this is a 'bogus scandal'?

[Powerboss]

You are a dolt.

The EP claim made by the President is unrelated to the deliberative process claim. One states that the documents are protected from subpeona as DOJ work product; the other invokes national security concerns and presidential involvement.

The work product defense is highly legally controversial, while the EP claim is not, as it was clarified by a SCOTUS decision.

You are so completely full of shit Cowpunk.

I've never encountered someone who lies as much as you do. Lies just flow out of you so easily it's just creepy. Indeed, how do you look at yourself in the mirror everyday? You're just such a disgusting human being. Tell me, what has Obama done for you to make you say things and lie the way you do all along tearing away at any shred of credibility or character that you once possessed? Is it really worth it? You've become a laughing stock at this website and have a reputation as a serial liar. Hope it's worth it.

So what is Holder trying to keep secret?

Holder asked Obama to invoke executive privilege over documents having to do with "the Department's deliberative process concerning how to respond to congressional and related media inquiries into that operation." In other words, Holder is saying the documents don't deal with the government's actual response to Fast and Furious.

The letter doesn't explicitly mention presidential communications. So, contrary to a few Republican congressmen's claims, the communications could be just between Justice Department officials and not include anybody at the White House itself.

http://www.propublica.org/article/th...rivilege-claim

[Cyclone Ranger]

More of your stupid character assassination and lies.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Proof?

Because the cartels didn't just starting killing people the minute they got DOJ-trafficked weapons. They've wrecked a bloody tsunami of murder and havoc all over Mexico and the Southwest US for the last decade or so.

If they didn't have the ATF's weapons to kill with, they simply would have used domestic weapons. It's rather hard to believe gangs of sociopathic organized drug rings would have refrained from killing unless they had American weapons to do so.

And if you don't mind...you seem awfully cavalier about the deaths of innocent people.

Not at all. That's why I applaud the DOJ's efforts to put them out of business, including F&F.

How do you manage to look yourself in the mirror each morning? Is protecting Obama worth so many dead children? Is there an upper limit to the number of dead bodies at all?

You're full of it.

Those children are dying because the Mexican cartels remain operational, not Obama, dumbass. They will continue dying as long as the Mexican gangs stay in business, and their deaths had bupkis to do with F&F

Undercover operations like F&F are the only measures capabable of bringing down the cartels, with the possible (and highly unlikely) exception of declaring war on our Mexican neighbors.

[Freedom&Liberty]

You're done. PB kicked your ass again.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Nope.

I'm right, and he's wrong.

That's why he had to resort to name-calling to save face.

[hadit]

I applaud the DOJ's efforts to put them out of business, including F&F.

I've asked multiple times to thundering silence. How effective has it been? Liberals have long been vulnerable to charges of caring more about intentions than results. Are you going to provide evidence that you do not?

[caddis]

When I asked in the opening post: "where's the outrage?" the deafening silence from the Obama-luvin'-tools has answered the question....There is no outrage because part of the libtard religion is to protect your god's at all costs. They cannot defend the indefensible so there tactic here is to remain silent and wait for the flames to die down.


Strange that Cowpunk_6.5 didn't get the "keep it chill" memo and instead opted for the duck-dodge-deflect defense. He must not be getting his emails from HQ since he has changed ID's

[Cyclone Ranger]

I've asked multiple times to thundering silence. How effective has it been? Liberals have long been vulnerable to charges of caring more about intentions than results. Are you going to provide evidence that you do not?

As I've said on multiple occasiobs, it takes lengthy periods of time, money and manpower to build cases against powerful criminal syndicates.

John Gotti wasn't jailed overnight. Neither was Madoff.

[Cyclone Ranger]

I'm not Cowpunk.

And, no one has built a compelling case for outrage, simply because the DOJ was doing its job, going after bad guys.

[Powerboss]

Nope.

I'm right, and he's wrong.

ROFL.....Which is why you can't support your statement like I have supported mine, right?

That's why he had to resort to name-calling to save face.

I resorted to name calling Cowpunk, because you're a filthy, lying, dishonest POS who after have been shown to be a liar with supporting documentation, follows it up with "Im right and he's wrong", another lie....

If I'm wrong, prove it. Prove the "evidence" I've provided is wrong. We'll be waiting.....