Pennsylvania admits it: no voter fraud problem

[BooRadley]

The state signed a stipulation agreement with lawyers for the plaintiffs which acknowledges there “have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states.”

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The Pennsylvania voter identification law — passed several months ago by state Republicans — is one of the strictest in the country. Under the law, voters are required to show an unexpired government-issued ID. If an ID is not issued by either the state of Pennsylvania or the federal government, then it will not be accepted (for instance, student IDs from schools outside of the state). If you do not have an ID, you can receive a free one as long as you have a Social Security card, official birth certificate, and two proofs of residency.

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more than 758,000 Pennsylvanians lack a driver’s license. According to the report, that amounts to 9.2 percent of the state’s 8.2 million voters.

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more than 21 percent of nonwhites in the state lack ID. In cities with heavy minority populations, like Philadelphia, 18 percent of the voting population lacks official identification.

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Given the complete absence of voter fraud, the law’s rapid implementation, and the strong support from Republican lawmakers, it’s more than clear that this is a crude attempt to suppress Democratic turnout in the election. Pennsylvania Republicans aren’t shy about this fact. State GOP House Leader Mike Turzai recently admitted the extent to which this law serves no purpose other than to elect Republicans:

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“Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...Vt6W_blog.html

He openly admitted that the whole point to the law is to stop minorities from voting, so that Romney can win. I don't understand why anyone would vote to elect people who openly engage in election fraud like this.

[hadit]

Then, after the election, you should be able to find evidence of such fraud and sue the state.

[BooRadley]

Then, after the election, you should be able to find evidence of such fraud and sue the state.

Then why can't the state find any evidence at all that there's a fraud problem?

[Chachma v'Oz]

There is no fraud problem. During the Bush administration the justice department conducted an aggressive investigation and convicted 86 people of having cast invalid ballots. That's over five years, nation-wide.

The only purpose for this rash voter ID laws is to attempt to keep poor people and the elderly from voting.

[hadit]

Then why can't the state find any evidence at all that there's a fraud problem?

So if there's no fraud problem, there's no problem with the law. You were complaining about election fraud, I simply said that you should then, after the election be able to find it and sue. Are you just going to wait for the state to find it for you?

[BooRadley]

So if there's no fraud problem, there's no problem with the law. You were complaining about election fraud, I simply said that you should then, after the election be able to find it and sue. Are you just going to wait for the state to find it for you?

You're being deliberately obtuse.

[Freedom&Liberty]

The law certainly doesn't encourage fraud, so what's the problem? They have a similar law in Georgia and more democrats voted than republicans.

Laws requiring photo IDs suppress minority voting, Democrats charge. The facts say otherwise. In Georgia, black voter turnout for the midterm election in 2006 was 42.9 percent. After Georgia passed photo ID, black turnout in the 2010 midterm rose to 50.4 percent. Black turnout also rose in Indiana and Mississippi after photo IDs were required.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ws_112546.html

Clearly your paranoia has been misplaced.

[BooRadley]

The law certainly doesn't encourage fraud, so what's the problem? They have a similar law in Georgia and more democrats voted than republicans.

Clearly your paranoia has been misplaced.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

[Malcolm Wright]

So if there's no fraud problem, there's no problem with the law. You were complaining about election fraud, I simply said that you should then, after the election be able to find it and sue. Are you just going to wait for the state to find it for you?

He's not complaining about election fraud. Quite the opposite: he's saying there is no evidence that fraud is taking place in PA. I'm surprised you didn't understand. Its crystal clear.

[Malcolm Wright]

Clearly your paranoia has been misplaced.

The GOP disagrees with you.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Facts are facts, More minorities voted with voter ID than without in Georgia, Mississippi and Indiana. Do you have evidence that the same result will not occur in Pennsylvania?

[Malcolm Wright]

Facts are facts, More minorities voted with voter ID than without in Georgia, Mississippi and Indiana. Do you have evidence that the same result will not occur in Pennsylvania?

The rationale for what would happen in Florida has been laid out for you. Have you read it?
And again, the GOP disagrees with you.

[Ponycar_302]

It doesn't target minorities. A large amount of minorities just happen to be too lazy to go get a FREE state ID card. That's their problem. There's plenty of time to get to the courthouse or DMV and get one before November.

[Freedom&Liberty]

The rationale for what would happen in Florida has been laid out for you. Have you read it?
And again, the GOP disagrees with you.

Those same predictions were made in Georgia. They were wrong. I don't care about the GOP, why do you?

[Malcolm Wright]

Those same predictions were made in Georgia. They were wrong. I don't care about the GOP, why do you?

Can you show evidence those same predictions were made in Georgia?
I don't care about the GOP per se... but they seem to have gone to some trouble on the understanding this would benefit them. It doesn't mean they're right, but it is more than possible they know their own interests a little better than you do.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Do your own homework and find an argument that hasn't already been refuted. .

[Chachma v'Oz]

Pennsylvania Voter Law Put To Test In Grandmother’s Suit

"Viviette Applewhite, 93, who is a great-great grandmother, is the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit filed in May by the American Civil Liberties Union. Applewhite, who once marched for civil rights with Martin Luther King Jr., won’t be able to vote in November under the new law which requires a photo ID to obtain a ballot.

"Applewhite, who worked as a welder during World War II, has never driven a car and can’t obtain documents needed to comply with the law, lawyers for the ACLU said. Applewhite, who has voted in almost every election in the past 50 years, tried to order a birth certificate from Pennsylvania’s Division of Vital Records at least three times after her purse and other important documents were stolen, according to court filings. She never received one."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...er-s-suit.html

Clearly, the citizens of Pennsylvania and the US as a whole need to be protected from people like Applewhite and their unconscionable attempt to circumvent Pennsylvania law and vote.

[Malcolm Wright]

Do your own homework and find an argument that hasn't already been refuted. .

I remind you that those want to be taken seriously provide evidence. It matters little to me whether you want to be taken seriously or not

[Freedom&Liberty]

I remind you that I've actually provided evidence that proves that minority voting has increased in some states that have voter ID. As usual, you've provided nothing and are rapidly becoming as irrelevant as Cowpunk, Ganja and TT.

[caddis]

Eric Holder and his comrades would call some of the tools in this thread useful idiots