What would a Liberal society look like!

[Truth-Bringer]

Of course, another part of Greece's problem is a problem with the design of the Euro in general, where no mechanism was ever put in place to deal with trade deficits.

Impossible. That can't be right. Statists made a mistake in centralizing power which has led to economic crisis? Say it ain't so...

[Zordar]

Kind of my point. Greece is burdened with a bunch of religious fanatics in the government. Finland isn't.

Are you being serious? A country that has been controlled for more than 35 years by a weenie center-right party* more concerned with personality than politics and a full-on progressive/socialist party? A country with a constitution that outlines a gazillion human rights? A government that provides limitless public sector jobs, benefits, and a rich pension system that grants 80% payments if you choose to retire as young as 58?

This is the doing of religious fanatics? Really? If so, I might have to go back to church!

Now, despite their progressive politics, I suppose you could point to the fact that they have a state religion... but wait! So does Spain and the Nordic countries, and they're pretty freaking liberal. Or maybe you could hold up the Popular Orthodox Rally as an example, since many of them are authoritarian religious nuts -- but they've never earned more than 7% of the vote, and are pretty much irrelevant. Hmmm...

Socially, LGBT people are treated more poorly in Greece than in many other European countries, and I would absolutely ascribe this to religion... but outside of that, I just don't see any sign of Greece being burdened by a bunch of "religious fanatics in government." Nothing.

So if that is your point, I'm just not seeing any evidence to back it up.

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I admitted from the start that I think these conservative vs. liberal government arguments are ridiculous and/or unprovable (including my own**), so if you were trolling to drag me into an argument I wasn't at all interested in having: well done, sir.

*But quite liberal by American standards
**Finland has had economic reforms we'd call "conservative," but their government is hardly right-wing. It was a "pull from the ass" attempt at illustrating the silliness of the debate.

[Cd.]

A Liberal Society would be one where there is little gap between the rich and poor, where there is a strong middle class, abundent jobs available to everyone. In fact a truely liberal society would abolish unemployment. All would have health care, there would be a livable minimum wage, there would be free speech, free religious practice and freedom to do what the hell you want as long as it does not hurt anyone. In a liberal society, all citizens would be encouraged to vote. There would be strict election laws and election fraud would be eliminated. Prisons as we know them would be abolished and replaced by rehabilitation centers which encourage individual improvement rather than torture. There would be no death penalty, no torture, no cruel and unusual punishment. More money would go to education than to the army. There would be free school to the college level and beyond. All individuals will be allowed to pursue their true potential. Mother earth will be revered and respected. And there would be equality for all!

[Šñøü†ê®]

Why are "liberals" homosexual zionists who hate freedom nowadays? I mean, with freedom comes the ability to reason and realize middle east religion is shit. Now what? That is the last thing they want everyone to comprehend.

[Cd.]

Why are "liberals" homosexual zionists who hate freedom nowadays? I mean, with freedom comes the ability to reason and realize middle east religion is shit. Now what? That is the last thing they want everyone to comprehend.

Not all liberals are homosexuals and not all homosexuals are liberals. There are gays in all political movements.
Some Zionists are Conservatives and some Liberal. Some liberals are pro Israel and some are not. Mike Malloy is actually very critical of Israel which is why his radio show was dropped.

And true liberals support everyone's right to believe what the hell they want and say what they want.

[Davidxvx]

So I guess no one got the Dworkin joke, huh?

[DamnYankee]

All this arguing doesn't change the facts: Most of the largest American cities which are controlled by liberals are shitholes. Include the largest state in the union, California, ran by leftists, and is one big fat armpit.

Thanks again to liberals.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Perhaps one cranky poster would be happier living in a large conservative American city.

Oh, wait. There are only a couple in all the land. Whenever people live close together and have to cooperate, conservative values go right out the window. Funny how they don't work when actual people are involved.

[Going Postal]

Perhaps one cranky poster would be happier living in a large conservative American city.

Oh, wait. There are only a couple in all the land. Whenever people live close together and have to cooperate, conservative values go right out the window. Funny how they don't work when actual people are involved.

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/...081205libs.pdf

Uh-huh.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Yep. That was my source for my statement about "large" cities. OKC, and maybe Anchorage ("large" for the small population of the state), are it.

[Going Postal]

Did you notice they (conservative) were more edumucated, had mo money and YT out the ying-yang, while liberal cities are stupid and broke-ass po.

[DamnYankee]

What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

Democrat "leadership

1) Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961;
2) Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;
3) Cincinnati, OH (3rd)... .......................since 1984;
4) Cleveland, OH (4th)... .......................since 1989;
5) Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;
6) St. Louis, MO (6th).... ........................since 1949;
7) El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;
8) Milwaukee, WI (8th)... ........................since 1908;
9) Philadelphia, PA (9th).........................since 1952;
10) Newark, NJ (10th)... ..........................since 1907.

http://livingjersey.wordpress.com/20...oorest-cities/

[Chachma v'Oz]

They're large cities. That means they vote Democratic. People who want to get along with their neighbors vote that way.

Where's your link to them also having the top poverty rate?

[Going Postal]

Yep. That was my source for my statement about "large" cities. OKC, and maybe Anchorage ("large" for the small population of the state), are it.

You know, Anchorage is the second richest city in America.

http://www.rediff.com/money/2005/nov/07forbes.htm

[Chachma v'Oz]

God bless the pipeline.

[antiquity]

God bless the pipeline.

Another reason to build the Keystone pipeline, right?

[Chachma v'Oz]

If you want to use up the much of the only oil your children and grandchildren will have to depend on, and can sell Nebraska on the idea. Haven't we spent enough of our descendants' wealth and run roughshod over the individual states enough already? Or is it still profits over people?

[Freedom&Liberty]

Profits go to people, dumbass.

[antiquity]

If you want to use up the much of the only oil your children and grandchildren will have to depend on, and can sell Nebraska on the idea. Haven't we spent enough of our descendants' wealth and run roughshod over the individual states enough already? Or is it still profits over people?

Two things here that you are obviously not aware of: One; It isn't our oil that would come down the Keystone pipeline, it Canadian.

Two; the governor of Nebraska has sign off the proposed route by proposed by Keystone after Keystone agreed to move the route away from the Sandhills aqua system.

Nebraska lawmakers approved two oil pipeline bills in response to TransCanada's proposed Keystone XL project.

Lawmakers passed the Major Oil Pipeline Siting Act (LB1), which will give authority for siting future oil pipelines to the Nebraska Public Service Commission, which oversees telecommunications, mass transit and utilities.

They also passed a bill (LB4) as part of a deal struck by Speaker Mike Flood of Norfolk with TransCanada to route the Keystone XL away from Nebraska's environmentally fragile Sandhills.

Both measures passed on a 46-0 vote.

Read more: http://journalstar.com/news/unicamer...#ixzz20GTdn8kq

Actually it more about jobs for people that this administration doesn't seem to want people to have.

[Chachma v'Oz]

I didn't say it was our oil in the pipeline, son. I said our descendants can rely on that oil (unless too many Republicans in Washington thoroughly piss off even the Canadians one day).

Nebraska has approved two bills regarding Keystone: that the state Public Service Commission would have to approve of siting, and that it not cross the aquifer. That doesn't mean that Keystone will find that acceptable.