This drought is seriosly concerning me.

[Chachma v'Oz]

I got up at 4:15 this morning and went out to water some plants. It was 91°. The forecast high for this afternoon is 111° and for tomorrow and Weds, 113°.

I guess summer is a-coming.

[86Dùde]

Most of us don't live in a damn desert but I promise you that your desert is more comfortable at 111 than our habitat at 100.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Ah, it isn't the heat, it's the humidity. That's what I thought.

[86Dùde]

Pretty much, but in this case the plants have all lost their moisture so the humidity is less so I can actually function in 105 degree heat and up. Hit 117 degrees last year, with 80% humidity at least. Just 5 degrees from the great depression record.

[Chachma v'Oz]

The forecast for today has been revised upward to 114°. When my wife came home with groceries in the middle of the afternoon yesterday I went out to carry them in and it seemed hot then. The thermometer under the carport read 111° and I commented to her about it. She complained that the steering wheel was so hot when get got in the car, even with the sun shade, she had to wear gloves driving home.

Ah, I love springtime.

[86Dùde]

Holy Shit alert^^

[Chachma v'Oz]

I took care of my chores before sunup today. When I go out to collect the mail around 5:00 this afternoon it's going to be hot. That's one disadvantage to being on the end of the last leg of the mail route.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Sheesh. I just went out to the garage (it's 10:30 a.m.) and it's already 111°. The high has been revised again to 115°. Are we falling into the sun?

[queenlillian1962]

I thought we were out of the drought but we are still short over here in CT about 4+" on the shoreline and 6+" inland. When my sump pump becomes dry, then we got problems here. Think that's happened once in 15 years; I should check to see how low it is.

[Chachma v'Oz]

When the drought started here in the '90s they projected 20-year drought. Now that we're into it 15 years they say it's a 30-year drought. I'm dreading what they'll be saying five years from now.

[86Dùde]

The entire corn and wheat crop may as well be counted as a loss. It's dead Jim.

[86Dùde]

This is how chaos starts. Combined of course with bad fiscal policy and imperialist foreign policy goals.

[Chachma v'Oz]

The heat could be worse. It was 124° over the hill in Death Valley. My next door neighbor was the relief postmaster there for many years. I've never heard her complain of the heat here. I guess we can get used to things. This is my 45th summer in the desert and I'm more concerned about the drought than I am the heat.

[86Dùde]

HOLY SHIT X 10 ALERT!

But when it reaches 117 in the mid south you'd have to agree that that is some exceptionally fucked up shit right? Especially when it went from -23 with a 3 foot snow pack in February 2011 to 117 in July 2011. I mean that is some pretty profound weather gone wrong. Never saw anything like it, and I've been alive for some time now. Not to mention d the tornado hell we had to endure that eventually settled on Joplin MO and made it into Hiroshima part deux.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Oh, it sucks where you are. No question. I'm just commenting on what's going on around here.

I heard on the news this evening that it's official: this climate change we're suffering has been exacerbated by greenhouse gases of man's creation. Like there's been any doubt of that for the past 20 years.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Nonsense.

[Davidxvx]

Hey, Freedom & Liberty: I have mixed with climate negotiators from most countries. You are aware that all nations agree that anthropogenic climate change is real, right? I've spoken to the Ulu of Tokelau and heard him pleading for the future of his children and his people, fearing for their way of life. I've crossed swords, one to one, in person, with the Mad Lord Monckton. I've spoken with leading climate scientists from a number of countries. I attended the last UNFCCC conference of the parties as an NGO representative. When I completed my honours in law, I was the only undergraduate presenter at a national environmental law conference - and emissions trading was my topic.

I dearly wish that climate change were not real, and that we were not the cause. But the evidence is overwhelming that this is not the case. I have worked 8-18 hours days for months at a time gathering the best and most evidence I can for this and analysing our legal and policy responses.

If you wish to call it nonsense, for me to take you seriously, you will need to present evidence that contradicts what top environmental lawyers, diplomats and scientists have said, to me and to others, and what I have read in years of voracious reading on the topic.

I predict that you will not. You will present some op-ed or ill-informed article or website that grossly distorts elementary scientific basics or severely misinterprets the data. We could then go on, posting increasingly long diatribes that go well outside your scientific knowledge and probably stretch mine. But that would waste both our time.

Alternatively, you could consider why exactly it might be that the world's governments - and many businesses, including petrochemical giants - agree that anthropogenic climate change is very real and very serious, and why it might be that over 97-99% of peer reviewed journal articles on the topic concur on the key points. You might wonder why, if climate change is not real, it might be that we are suffering from increased extreme weather events in the exact year that the IPCC first came out and said that they were, for the first time, prepared to say with some certainty that climate change is now causing an increase in the world's extreme weather events. I mean, if climate change weren't real, that would be a huge conspiracy (what else do Cuba, China, the US and France all agree on?) and a crazy coincidence, right? (Scientists say extreme weather is happening; extreme weather happens...)

[86Dùde]

Real or not, the steps you technocrats will take to stop it will reduce people to slaves or worse. Soon countries will begin exterminating the real problem: People themselves. I look at the carbon tax and the gestapo tactics being employed there and it makes me sick.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Hey, Freedom & Liberty: I have mixed with climate negotiators from most countries. You are aware that all nations agree that anthropogenic climate change is real, right? I've spoken to the Ulu of Tokelau and heard him pleading for the future of his children and his people, fearing for their way of life. I've crossed swords, one to one, in person, with the Mad Lord Monckton. I've spoken with leading climate scientists from a number of countries. I attended the last UNFCCC conference of the parties as an NGO representative. When I completed my honours in law, I was the only undergraduate presenter at a national environmental law conference - and emissions trading was my topic.

I dearly wish that climate change were not real, and that we were not the cause. But the evidence is overwhelming that this is not the case. I have worked 8-18 hours days for months at a time gathering the best and most evidence I can for this and analysing our legal and policy responses.

If you wish to call it nonsense, for me to take you seriously, you will need to present evidence that contradicts what top environmental lawyers, diplomats and scientists have said, to me and to others, and what I have read in years of voracious reading on the topic.

I predict that you will not. You will present some op-ed or ill-informed article or website that grossly distorts elementary scientific basics or severely misinterprets the data. We could then go on, posting increasingly long diatribes that go well outside your scientific knowledge and probably stretch mine. But that would waste both our time.

Alternatively, you could consider why exactly it might be that the world's governments - and many businesses, including petrochemical giants - agree that anthropogenic climate change is very real and very serious, and why it might be that over 97-99% of peer reviewed journal articles on the topic concur on the key points. You might wonder why, if climate change is not real, it might be that we are suffering from increased extreme weather events in the exact year that the IPCC first came out and said that they were, for the first time, prepared to say with some certainty that climate change is now causing an increase in the world's extreme weather events. I mean, if climate change weren't real, that would be a huge conspiracy (what else do Cuba, China, the US and France all agree on?) and a crazy coincidence, right? (Scientists say extreme weather is happening; extreme weather happens...)

You can't prove that the current climate wouldn't have occurred naturally. Peer review that, dumbass.

[86Dùde]

Easy FL. He's a pretty good guy once you get to know him. I'm not trying throw you under the bus by saying that. I'm sort of a fence rider on this particular topic but I do know beyond a certainty of any doubt that the powers that believe it, and they HATE humans for stinking up their planet. They will attempt to cull the herd while making huge profits for themselves. There are reams of evidence to support this.