No "Obamacare"?,Then Let's Have Single Payer Instead

[Truth Teller]

If the SCOUS strikes down so-called "Obamacare",then let's replace it with single payer(which is what we should have had in the first place).

[Chachma v'Oz]

That'll be the next drive. The PPACA got passed by appeasing the special interests in the private sector. It was a foot in the door. Whether it remains intact or not I expect single-payer to be our eventual program.

Baby steps... Gotta lead the wingers by the hand first into the 20th century in order to give them the courage to face the 21st.

[Freedom&Liberty]

In other words, democrats can only fuck the country so fast.

[86Dùde]

People need to die. There are too many people on the fucking planet. Let them rot, including me when my time comes. What did our ancestors do when they didn't have coverage? They keeled over. We don't need anymore 95 year old men waiting for the clocks to stop. The government doesn't owe us a fucking thing.

[Capricorn]

People need to die. There are too many people on the fucking planet. Let them rot, including me when my time comes. What did our ancestors do when they didn't have coverage? They keeled over. We don't need anymore 95 year old men waiting for the clocks to stop. The government doesn't owe us a fucking thing.

Should wealth decide who should live and who should die a premature death?

[Freedom&Liberty]

Sustaining yourself is your responsibility. Wealth is irrelevant.

[Malcolm Wright]

People need to die. There are too many people on the fucking planet. Let them rot, including me when my time comes. What did our ancestors do when they didn't have coverage? They keeled over. We don't need anymore 95 year old men waiting for the clocks to stop. The government doesn't owe us a fucking thing.

I agree with part of that sentiment. There are too many people on the planet, and extending human life expectancy ad infinitum without care for the environmental and demographic consequences is stupid.

But healthcare is not incompatible with population reduction. It still makes sense to make the health industry more efficient, and ensure all of us have access to affordable basic coverage. It is possible to reduce the world's population via planned parenting alone, if only the political will would manifest itself.

Aging populations force the question of how our society no longer seeks to value the elderly. If we valued them, we would keep them employed in occupations that are suited to their abilities. One of the facets of runaway capitalism is that it has zero regard for the moral duty to value the elderly, amongst other important things. It allows society to devolve away from these important tenets, and revolve solely around instant gratification and profit.

The problem of the place of the elderly in our society is far more important than most people give credit it for. If we can't see the roots of our problems, we truly are far from a solution.

M.

[Malcolm Wright]

Sustaining yourself is your responsibility. Wealth is irrelevant.

Wealth is a factor in the ability to sustain oneself. Obviously.

[GanjaFreebird]

In other words, democrats can only fuck the country so fast.

No, it takes them too long to fix Republicans' fuck ups.

[GanjaFreebird]

People need to die.

We all are going to die one day, but that should be at a very old age from natural causes.

There are too many people on the fucking planet.

Then support birth control and the legal right to abortions, for starts!

Let them rot, including me when my time comes.

Of course, but until then, let's celebrate life and help poor people!

What did our ancestors do when they didn't have coverage? They keeled over.

Back in the day, they also ran around butt naked and took a shit in the woods, but that doesn't mean we should be this way either. That's the beauty of progress in technology, as well as in humanity.

We don't need anymore 95 year old men waiting for the clocks to stop.

We also don't need ignorant rednecks who bitch and complain like a 13 year old girl on a period, but nevertheless, we should still let them live and be happy, just sayin'.

The government doesn't owe us a fucking thing.

It owes us whatever most American want it to do.

[GanjaFreebird]

Sustaining yourself is your responsibility. Wealth is irrelevant.

What if you're...disabled, old, sick or a child from a poor family?

[Freedom&Liberty]

Family, friends, neighbors, church & charity.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Wealth is a factor in the ability to sustain oneself. Obviously.

That doesn't make you entitled to the wealth of others.

[Freedom&Liberty]

I agree with part of that sentiment. There are too many people on the planet, and extending human life expectancy ad infinitum without care for the environmental and demographic consequences is stupid.

But healthcare is not incompatible with population reduction. It still makes sense to make the health industry more efficient, and ensure all of us have access to affordable basic coverage. It is possible to reduce the world's population via planned parenting alone, if only the political will would manifest itself.

Aging populations force the question of how our society no longer seeks to value the elderly. If we valued them, we would keep them employed in occupations that are suited to their abilities. One of the facets of runaway capitalism is that it has zero regard for the moral duty to value the elderly, amongst other important things. It allows society to devolve away from these important tenets, and revolve solely around instant gratification and profit.

The problem of the place of the elderly in our society is far more important than most people give credit it for. If we can't see the roots of our problems, we truly are far from a solution.

M.

There is no moral duty to value the elderly. There is a moral duty to provide for ones self. That's the only solution needed.

[caddis]

Sustaining yourself is your responsibility. Wealth is irrelevant.

Wealth is a factor in the ability to sustain oneself. Obviously.

Less wealth does not imply less responsibility to sustain yourself. Obviously

[86Dùde]

Should wealth decide who should live and who should die a premature death?

Nope, because it would be a corporation or the government making that decision.

[GanjaFreebird]

Family, friends, neighbors, church & charity.

They can help here and there, but one can't survive off that forever, unless it's Snouter's parents or something. So no, that's not a choice, especially since some people don't have any of that.

[GanjaFreebird]

That doesn't make you entitled to the wealth of others.

He is entitled to whatever the law says.

[GanjaFreebird]

There is no moral duty to value the elderly.

To you there isn't, but to normal people there is.

[antiquity]

To you there isn't, but to normal people there is.

Then set aside enough right now to sustain yourself in your old age. Cut back on your pot smoking and invest that money in your retirement years would be a great start.