Obama bypasses Congress on immigration policy

[arfurvirus]

Didn't make anything up. You have yet to establish any Constitutional argument for Obama's power grab. You are dodging questions and challenges and all you are left responding with is smarmy remarks.

Since you're dodging questions and all, I'd like you to also explain how this is good for the millions of unemployed Americans and the possibility of them not being hired due to someone hiring one of your cherished illegals in his place. Not that I expect you to answer but it's just worth noting in it's entirety what you are supporting and endorsing.

I don't even have to kick your rear again, this guy did it for about the third time. Wow.. I thanked powerboss... someone shoot me. heh

[Chachma v'Oz]

I'm flattered that you consider me to be in the president's inner circle and his de facto spokesman, but all I can do, as I have already done, is explain what the Sec'y of HS did and why. It's not secret; it's been in the news. You can speculate all you want about the whys and wherefores, they don't change a thing. Until someone comes up with a reason why the secretary cannot run the department under her charge without micromanagement from you, her decision looks safe to me.

Personally, I think people in the job market should be selected on merit rather than on choices their parents made many years ago, but maybe that's just me. Others may use less objective filters. There seems to be a lot of that going on is some quarters.

[9ball8]

Powerboss, no comment on post #33?
Here's how it will work if a non-liberal (Romney?) is elected. The budget is fully enforced for prosecuting and deporting non-legal immigrants, reversing this OA decision. Because there is still a limit on resources available for immigration law & regulation, Romney chooses to cut the budget on prosecuting those employers who illegally hire illegal immigrants.

The political scene is also reversed: liberals are generally outraged, while most conservatives shrug their shoulders and claim the cuts had to be made somewhere. The lack of constitutional debate, along with a lack of business planning for all bills, is continued with willful ignorance inside the beltway.
-See how this "works" PB? Of course you do.

[arfurvirus]

I'm flattered that you consider me to be in the president's inner circle and his de facto spokesman, but all I can do, as I have already done, is explain what the Sec'y of HS did and why. It's not secret; it's been in the news. You can speculate all you want about the whys and wherefores, they don't change a thing. Until someone comes up with a reason why the secretary cannot run the department under her charge without micromanagement from you, her decision looks safe to me.

Personally, I think people in the job market should be selected on merit rather than on choices their parents made many years ago, but maybe that's just me. Others may use less objective filters. There seems to be a lot of that going on is some quarters.

It is unconstitutional to spy or listen to ... hell or cause American Citizens to give up their fifth amendment especially without a warrant. Thanks. Go now.

[arfurvirus]

It is unconstitutional to spy or listen to ... hell or cause American Citizens to give up their fifth amendment especially without a warrant. Thanks. Go now.

Amazing, it's gone now isn't it? Hunk of shit.

[DamnYankee]

Obama bypasses Congress on immigration policy

BO is in a panic. He needs votes. So he orders his corrupt justice dept. to stop Florida from cleaning up their voter rolls in fear illegals will be forced to id themselves to election officials. Then he orders his Homeland Security Sec. to stop enforcing the law on the very same illegals.

So what gives BO the right to order his Homeland Sec. officers NOT to enforce the law? What gives BO the right to place himself above the law? Who gave this asshole the right to ignore a law duly enacted by congress?

Well, the answer is easy. BO gave himself the right. SO leftists have no room to bitch when a conservative gets into office and pulls some similar shit. RIGHT KOOKS? No bitching.

Obviously this new "order" comes with unintended consequences. Such as, who is going to process all these new "immigrants?" The same gov't employee who are processing legal immigrant applications? So the legal ones are now placed on the back burner so they can get the illegals processed first.

Thank a leftist.

[antiquity]

It is unconstitutional to spy or listen to ... hell or cause American Citizens to give up their fifth amendment especially without a warrant. Thanks. Go now.

Actually it is not unconstitutional and the law has been used several times. Clinton used it against an American spy, Aldrich Ames, after Jimmy Carter signed it into law. Its called Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA for short) and it is now part of the HLS laws.

[antiquity]

Hey, the DHS has only so much in budget and resources and has to make some tough decisions on how to apply them. Having to make a choice, it's better to go after the criminals who pose a threat to society than the children of criminals who have never been a threat.

You want spending cuts and reduced federal budgets? You got 'em. Hope you realize the ramifications of what you're asking for. (The rest of us, who oppose them, have already. Thus the opposition.)

It will cost as much or more to process these illegals, so you argument is rather lame.

[arfurvirus]

Actually it is not unconstitutional and the law has been used several times. Clinton used it against an American spy, Aldrich Ames, after Jimmy Carter signed it into law. Its called Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA for short) and it is now part of the HLS laws.

I'd be taking it to court, and after the whole mess was brought to light, it would be more light than anyone would want. Personally I think that doesn't apply to US citizens acting within their constitutional and patriotic means. Clinton brought it against spys, it would have to proven that an american citizen was a foreign operative. Not likely in this case. He wouldn't have the precedent nor rule of law on his side.

[Chachma v'Oz]

The processing is done by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, not DHS. Take it up with the Department of Justice.

[arfurvirus]

The processing is done by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, not DHS. Take it up with the Department of Justice.

and when eric holder gets hung for treason in 2014 as obammy will let him be what recourse do we have, after 10 million illegal votes are counted?

Obammy needs to be Impeached now, the laughing part is Romney will probably beat he and his bathouse buddys, and isn't any better.

But really... if they let this fly what is the real recourse?

Imo they should both be tried for treason. and hung.

[Chachma v'Oz]

So you're just chasing your tails.

[antiquity]

HLS is in charge of all immigration Services.

[Chachma v'Oz]

HLS is in charge of all immigration Services.

You are mistaken, but keep digging that hole you've started.

[arfurvirus]

HLS is in charge of all immigration Services.

That sir is where the end all is. It's not the president, it's not our congress anymore since the president says he doesn't need them anymore,... it's the supreme court.

We need the supreme court as we have it now to rule on things, not obammys or Orammney's supreme court.

We need the one we have now to tell the department of homland security to suck a nut and they don't have jurisdiction.

Because they fucking don't.

The last hope we have is a decent stealth justice elect to get elected for life...after the next two drop out. It isn't likely.

The dept of homeland security, under executive order doesn't have the powers that the POTUS gave to them. or the Potus before him.

IT's NEVER been challenged. yet. It's all unconstitutional, and is derived from a make believe AL-quadia threat that doesn't even exist because they are the "Arab spring" our executive claims is good.


It's bullshit. And we as American's know it.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Somebody's up past his bedtime.

[arfurvirus]

Somebody's up past his bedtime.

somebody just kicked your ass.

[Chachma v'Oz]

[antiquity]

You are mistaken, but keep digging that hole you've started.

No I am not mistaken:

The Department of Homeland Security is headed by the Secretary of Homeland Security with the assistance of the Deputy Secretary. The Department contains the components listed below.

Agencies:

United States Citizenship and Immigration Services: Processes and examines citizenship, residency, and asylum requests from aliens.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection: Law enforcement agency that enforces U.S. laws along its international borders (air, land, and sea) including its enforcement of U.S. immigration, customs, and agriculture laws while at and patrolling between all U.S. ports-of-entry.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement: Law enforcement agency divided into two bureaus:

An agency that enforces U.S. laws while it investigates and gathers intelligence on national and international criminal activities that threaten the security of the homeland (Homeland Security Investigations); and
An agency that investigates violations of the Immigration and Nationality Act and enforces the detention, deportation and removal of violators of United States immigration law (Enforcement and Removal Operations).

Transportation Security Administration: Responsible for aviation security (domestic and international, most notably conducting passenger screenings at airports), as well as land and water transportation security
United States Coast Guard: Military service responsible for law enforcement, maritime security, national defense, maritime mobility, and protection of natural resources.[12]
United States Secret Service: Law enforcement agency that investigates threats against and provides protective services for the President and Vice President of the United States and their immediate families as well as other important governmental officials. It also investigates crimes against the U.S. monetary system including the crime of counterfeiting U.S. currency and other financial instruments.
Federal Emergency Management Agency: agency that oversees the federal government's response to natural disasters like earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, forest fires, etc.

Either you are mistaken or just uninformed.

[Šñøü†ê®]

I don't have time to read this thread. Is everyone in agreement the monkey in chief is nothing but a banana republic dictator who hates the US Constitution and despises native Americans?