http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18149573An Israeli human rights group has released a video that appears to show Israeli soldiers standing by while Jewish settlers open fire on stone-throwing Palestinian protesters in the West Bank, wounding one of them, reports the BBC's Rupert Wingfield Hayes.
It is the sort of incident that we often hear about, but almost never get to see. This time, thanks to B'Tselem, we have graphic video evidence of what happened.
The picture the videos paint is disturbing. It appears to show Jewish settler youths attacking a Palestinian village; later heavily armed Jewish settlers shooting at, and wounding, a Palestinian man, and most disturbing of all, Israeli soldiers standing by and doing nothing to prevent the shooting.
Even more reason for a two-state solution, and if the Palestinians want to avoid such situations, they can easily give up on the so-called refugees return, stop terrorism, officially recognize the Jewish state and get a state based on approximate 1967 borders.Originally Posted by Malcolm Wright
If only Arafat was wise enough to do that in 2000.
If is funny that the MSM refers to the invaders and land thieves as "settlers."
Capricorn (05-22-2012)
Won't have much effect in favor of Palestinians in the western press. For that to happen, several must die on camera, despite throwing no rocks or otherwise reacting with any violence toward Israelis. They must sacrifice their lives in truly peaceful protest and they must repeat their passive resistance countless times. There is no other way. The western press will react to any gesture that visits any type of violence on any Israeli, by favoring Israel. It might be ugly, but it is the truth. It is the only thing that worked to break the dominance of oligarchs in South Africa and the US South during Jim Crow.
Archaix (05-22-2012)
9Ball8, look what happened to Rachel Corrie though. Totally passive resistance. Killed by a zionist driving a bulldozer. Basically no Western media coverage of the murder or the trial.
Yes, I remember that.
Šñøü†ê® (05-22-2012)
Don't you have anything to say about the events? Or would you rather blame them all on Arafat and something he didn't do 12 years ago?Even more reason for a two-state solution, and if the Palestinians want to avoid such situations, they can easily give up on the so-called refugees return, stop terrorism, officially recognize the Jewish state and get a state based on approximate 1967 borders.
If only Arafat was wise enough to do that in 2000
I should be the one rolling my eyes.
M.
jwreck (05-22-2012)
It's impossible to steal or invade something that was illegally occupied by Jordan and still wasn't legally divided between Arabs and Jews, according to the UN.
BS, she got more attention than any Israeli victim of Palestinian terrorism. Do you know any names of women and children that died on buses and restaurants in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem? No? Well, I don't either, but we all hearing about "Rachel Corrie" ALL THE FUCKIN' time...why? Because the idiot was burning an American flag while dressed like Arafat? Or because she was dumb enough to defend terrorists and stand in a dangerous zone after being told to get the fuck out of there?
Until the Palestinians will chose non-violence and accept Israel as a Jewish state on 1967 borders, they will get absolutely nothing and will deserve absolutely nothing.
They still have the option to correct Arafat's mistake, but Abbas isn't doing it because he's afraid of being murdered by Hamas/Iran. Why don't we be COMPLETELY HONEST about it?Bibi said very clearly that as soon as Abbas recognizes the Jewish state, he will give them their state, so why not try it? The problem is that Hamas and the people who fund it aren't interested in the "Palestinian state", they want the Jewish state to disappear FIRST of all.
If zionist occupied Palestine is "dangerous" why do the zionist flucktards live there? I mean, do they really think Yahweh is going to send a savior to come and save them from the scary White people!
I'm all for a 2-state solution with a Jewish and a Palestinian state. We don't mix well together, which is why I would support forcing most settlers to move inside the green line and moving anybody who doesn't approve of the Jewish state into the Palestinian state!
Of course all Jewish people are waiting for the Mashiach, however, we have a great military and plenty of nukes that will save us from ANY scary people, White or otherwiseI mean, do they really think Yahweh is going to send a savior to come and save them from the scary White people!.
Still nothing to say about the events? That's the first rule in the whitewashing manual I guess. Act as if embarrassing events aren't even worthy of comment.They still have the option to correct Arafat's mistake, but Abbas isn't doing it because he's afraid of being murdered by Hamas/Iran. Why don't we be COMPLETELY HONEST about it?
This thread is not about Arafat or the Jewish state per say. Its about particular events described in the OP. I suggest you start by commenting on them before widening the scope to include other things? Will I have to ask you a third time?
M.
Archaix (05-22-2012)
I'm trying to find a solution here, as opposed to continue pointing fingers at each other. There are 2 cultures that can't stand each other obviously, and while I wish that both sides looked at each other in a more human way, I still understand the reality and I'd rather talk about what must be done to make things better for both sides, and that is a REAL 2-state solution.
It's ALL about the Jewish state, and if Arafat recognized it, those events wouldn't be happening today, as Barak was going to remove most settlers and destroy their homes as SOON as Arafat would sign Clinton's dealThis thread is not about Arafat or the Jewish state per say.
Yes, not all Jewish people are Jesus, and yes, many settlers do all kinds of bad things, which is why most Israelis feel that they are a needle in their ass and would love to move them back inside the green line as soon as the Palestinians decide to become serious about TRUE peace with Israel.Its about particular events described in the OP. I suggest you start by commenting on them before widening the scope to include other things? Will I have to ask you a third time?
Ok, that's a good thing. It doesn't prevent us from commenting on events as they arise though. Or shouldn't. It isn't about pointing fingers in blame at each other - neither of us are even in Israel! Its about weighing events as they arise.
Right, we've discussed all this in other threads and my intent was not to make yet another thread for it.It's ALL about the Jewish state, and if Arafat recognized it, those events wouldn't be happening today, as Barak was going to remove most settlers and destroy their homes as SOON as Arafat would sign Clinton's deal
Thank you for finally sort of commenting on the events themselves. Of course, Jewish people are human beings and prone to the same excesses as everyone else.Yes, not all Jewish people are Jesus, and yes, many settlers do all kinds of bad things, which is why most Israelis feel that they are a needle in their ass and would love to move them back inside the green line as soon as the Palestinians decide to become serious about TRUE peace with Israel.
But specifically, what do you think of the IDF letting the settlers open fire like that, and doing nothing to intervene? Doesn't that disturb you. What do you make of it?
M.
Israelis and the Palestinians don't like each other obviously and therefore, fucked up shit happens from both sides sometimes. We need a 2 state solution to avoid those problems.
But it's a main part of it. You can't just talk about about 1+2= while ignoring that 1+1=2, or else you would NEVER be able to find the right answer to the problem.Right, we've discussed all this in other threads and my intent was not to make yet another thread for it.
It's a war situation, they look at the Palestinians who are throwing stones as enemies, obviously, and some soldiers really couldn't care less if the settlers kill them, just like those Palestinians wouldn't give a fuck if a Hamas terrorists shot those guys to death, it's a war and both sides absolutely hate each other for generations. The difference is that the Israeli gov't/people want to end this conflict and have a 2 state solution where there's security and understanding from both sides, while the Palestinians and Iran insist on turning Israel into another Arab Muslim state, either soon or in the long run, so that's what it comes down to in the end of the day, and we can always pick on assholes from both sides, but that won't solve the problem.Thank you for finally sort of commenting on the events themselves. Of course, Jewish people are human beings and prone to the same excesses as everyone else.
But specifically, what do you think of the IDF letting the settlers open fire like that, and doing nothing to intervene? Doesn't that disturb you. What do you make of it?
OMG Malcolm you have opened up can of worms now! LOL, this thread is going down in flames.
BooRadley (05-22-2012), Malcolm Wright (05-23-2012)
On another forum I post on NO mideast threads are allowed except in a specific mideast forum that's not moderated at all, because every ME thread turns into a poo-flinging fest.
"All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell [the bible] teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society." Rep. Paul Broun (R)
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Yep, robbers, barbarians or modern Huns (of the Attila kind) is more appropriate term to describe them IMO.
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