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    Due to the big crisis in Europe the ugly head of extremism is rising its similar as to how hitler and his brainwashed followers started the hate.

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    Thanks Misteria - very interesting.

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    They say it's rising, but electorally far-right British groups were punished at the local elections - not even Euroskeptic parties (Conservatives and UKIP) did well. Yes, the French NF got a lot of votes, but to do that it had to abandon a lot of fascist rhetoric (but not policy). Geert Wilders of the Dutch PVV turned to 'traditional values' rather than race to explain why multiculturalism is supposedly bad. The British EDL and BNP both publically consider themselves anti-fascist.

    The only way far-right parties can break out of marginality is to water down their message and appeal to conservative voters.
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    Which they have a very difficult time doing because at heart they are socialists. Oh wait in europe even the conservatives are socilaists. In fact in Europe about the only one's who aren't socialist to some degree are the liberals.

    I suspect this causes some confusion for Eurpean Newbs when the first hit American political sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    Which they have a very difficult time doing because at heart they are socialists. Oh wait in europe even the conservatives are socilaists. In fact in Europe about the only one's who aren't socialist to some degree are the liberals.

    I suspect this causes some confusion for Eurpean Newbs when the first hit American political sites.
    One could just as easily say that in America, there are no left leaning candidates - everything is skewed to the right.

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    One could but one would be full of crap. AS I said those called liberals in Europe are the last small bastion of small government types. TEll you waht I'll swap you our liberals for your liberals straight up.
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    No one would not be full of crap, one would simply hold a bias different from your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    Which they have a very difficult time doing because at heart they are socialists. Oh wait in europe even the conservatives are socilaists. In fact in Europe about the only one's who aren't socialist to some degree are the liberals.
    No, they're not. Conservatives do not want nationalisation (favouring the market), excessive spending (favouring austerity), hate multiculturalism (favouring a variety of nationalisms) and are generally the enemies of all things socialist. However, there is a fundamental difference between European conservative parties and American ones: the European right-wing has links to aristocracy and old money the American right cannot.

    While right and left is to some extent subjective, terms like 'fascist', 'authoritarian', 'socialist' and 'communist' are not. You're obviously not very politically educated, so I'll tell you now that those concepts have specific meanings that are 'objective'. Even your right-wing isn't 'fascist' to me despite the fact they are more right-wing that the one I'm used to because fascism entails more than being really right-wing -similarly, the European centre might seem 'left' to you, but it cannot be 'socialist' without signing up to certain ideas.
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