the political climate of the world truthteller and i grew up in

[fat mike]

rednecks down here had money-were unpopular-had the old southern values-we were taught to repudiate those values-they were racist non collectivist individualistic-anti cosmopolitan-basic "know nothing" republican values

then came jimmy carter and the redneck rockers and comedians and reagan

i stll hate reagan and carter-i hate that they thought they needed to change my world

i hate you middle aged punks trying to pretend to be conservative while you destroy this country
the usa fought the nazis during wwii and you bitches embraced naziism under reagan

[Šñøü†ê®]

i stll hate reagan and carter-i hate that they thought they needed to change my world

What is "your world" and isn't having "your world" a violation of your anti-individual point of view?

i hate you middle aged punks trying to pretend to be conservative while you destroy this country
the usa fought the nazis during wwii and you bitches embraced naziism under reagan

You embrace zionism which is modern day nazism, you redneck!


-The Unorthodox Teacher

[Chachma v'Oz]

I went back to college after my military service and began a career after graduation. I wasn't all that enthusiastic about the track I was on so I kept my eyes and ears open for other opportunities, but it wasn't a good time to hit the bricks looking for work if you didn't have to. It was 1973-4, the second term of a Republican administration and as you can well imagine (if you weren't experiencing it firsthand), the country was a mess. We were under federally mandated wage and price controls, gasoline rationing, and both unemployment and inflation were climbing. There was even rumor that the President of the United States might actually disgrace the nation's highest office by resigning to avoid criminal prosecution. And we were still a couple of years away from electoral relief.

These were trying times, but we muddled through. Things picked up after the inevitable regime change in '76, then the election of 1980 pretty much changed everything, irrevocably. That's when the Republican Party sold the country on the idea of disconnecting taxation from spending. We were told we could cut taxes, yet still spend as much as we wanted (and more) and never really have to pay it back because somehow future generations would absorb the legacy costs. Brilliant plan, eh? What was brilliant was that is was so easy to sell - who wouldn't take free money if they were told it was somehow OK?

This was the world in which I lived in early adulthood, embarking on a career, starting a family, the whole magillah. And I certainly prospered by the "new economics". Borrowed money was raining down from the heavens and you'd have to be a fool not to pick up your share. Some of us didn't handle it responsibly and ended up with little or nothing by the time that house of cards came tumbling down. Others of us converted this illusory wealth into more durable assets and fared much better. All of us were given, and either spent or invested, the earnings of generations yet unborn, earnings of theirs we borrowed to win elections for the Republican Party.

Well, it worked. Reagan-Bush lasted 12 years before sputtering. Clinton reversed some policies by raising taxes and balancing the budget, but the country was so fat and sassy from gorging on all that borrowed money that they let our alpha male's sexcapades blind them to the wisdom of his leadership and it replaced him with a tinhorn cowboy who darn near finished the job that Reagan started, destroying the foundation of the US economy through tax cuts and borrowing like there was no tomorrow.

That's the political climate I've lived in. We're enjoying a nascent respite of relief, but all too soon this flame can flicker out if the right wing propaganda machine successfully misrepresents enough of our recovery success from their last assault on our economy and gains another foothold in government. At least they've scraped the bottom of the barrel trying to find a candidate to represent their interests, so that portends well for the country.

[Šñøü†ê®]

...gasoline rationing...

A direct result of supporting Zionism.

As far as wisdom of Slick Willie, that is illusionary. US presidents have always been scumbags for the most part. Also the federal government in this republic is not supposed to be composed of "leaders" but representatives of the people and the states to varying degrees. The military has leaders, not individuals who just want to live free.

-The Unorthodox Teacher

[86Dùde]

Aw for fluck sake.

[fat mike]

you guys are laboring under the old economic model which accepts a fixed amount f wealth as a given-keynes wasnt right in taking his conclusions as far as he did-but no modern state has been able t progress under any version of a gold standard

[Šñøü†ê®]

...no modern state has been able t progress under any version of a gold standard

Actually it is zionism which has stagnated the world, which coincided with the removal of the gold standard coincidentally! But what the fluck does that have to do with "your world" you alluded in the first post?

[jwreck]

-we were taught to repudiate those values-

Its too bad you weren't taught English instead.

[fat mike]

nothgin in this thread is written in a foreign language-if you found it beyond your grasp you might consider that your own shortcoming-you dont really read any real literature do you?

and snouter still uses me to push his antisemitism-you guys read my stuff-it changes -it isnt the same bilge over and over again=why arent you guys ashamed and tired of all that repetition??

[Šñøü†ê®]

R U DONE? CAN WE CLOSE THIS RETARDED THREAD!

[Cd.]

A direct result of supporting Zionism.

As far as wisdom of Slick Willie, that is illusionary. US presidents have always been scumbags for the most part. Also the federal government in this republic is not supposed to be composed of "leaders" but representatives of the people and the states to varying degrees. The military has leaders, not individuals who just want to live free.

-The Unorthodox Teacher

Out of curiosity, in your opinion which US presidents were good?

you guys are laboring under the old economic model which accepts a fixed amount f wealth as a given-keynes wasnt right in taking his conclusions as far as he did-but no modern state has been able t progress under any version of a gold standard

Keynes was a genius. I wish the US today would learn from his teachings.

nothgin in this thread is written in a foreign language-if you found it beyond your grasp you might consider that your own shortcoming-you dont really read any real literature do you?

and snouter still uses me to push his antisemitism-you guys read my stuff-it changes -it isnt the same bilge over and over again=why arent you guys ashamed and tired of all that repetition??

Why pay attention to Snouter? He is just trying to badger you so that this thread will disintigrate into a food fight and end up being locked.

R U DONE? CAN WE CLOSE THIS RETARDED THREAD!

So thats your plan Snouter?

[garyd]

And every last one of them was a yellow dog Democrat. And rednecks aren't generally rich. So basically you grew up in a state ignorant bliss knowing only what a bunch of leftist kooks told you. REagan was about as far from a nazi as you can get while the nodern Limosine liberal is a kissing cousin.

The second term of a republican administration that controlled neither house of congress and hadn't in more than two decades.
One which I might also add that disagreed in only two ways with what the Democrats espoused. The first was on Vietnam, and the second was on how much we should borrow to fund the Great Society.

[fat mike]

And every last one of them was a yellow dog Democrat. And rednecks aren't generally rich. So basically you grew up in a state ignorant bliss knowing only what a bunch of leftist kooks told you. REagan was about as far from a nazi as you can get while the nodern Limosine liberal is a kissing cousin.

The second term of a republican administration that controlled neither house of congress and hadn't in more than two decades.
One which I might also add that disagreed in only two ways with what the Democrats espoused. The first was on Vietnam, and the second was on how much we should borrow to fund the Great Society.

oklahoma rednecks were never rich-you werent here
i grew up in a nation way more solvent than the back water that resulted from the severe turn to the right that occurred after carter-you guys like to play the game -"liberals are actually nazis" its only shrill nasal name calling-your attitude that you're always correct doesn't make me believe you are
nixon was almost certainly waht youd call a rino and he had more integrity in his left sac than you guys got in your whole body=if youre going to debate with the presumption that im going to follow the liberal template you might as well fold-politics dont make business-businessmen and banks make business-politics can make life a little easier for the poor and the disenfranchised...

until you idiots get a clue that our problems originate and end with the middle class youll never have the first idea wahts going on-its the middle class thats to blame for everythign the politicians on either side did and the middle class will lose and rightfully so

[garyd]

You don't even know what the hell a redneck is. I've lived in Oklahoma all my life and that began in the first half of the last century. The only other state I've lived in for any length of time was Alabama. And the 'necks were the same in both states. So I doubt there is much in the way of variation other colloquiallisms and accents. The Democrats ran this state for most of it 1st hundred years and they ran it into the ground. We are still dealing with the legacy of their theivery and incompetence, Chiefest amonst which is a school system that spends more than half its money on adminsistrations because we have nearly ten times as many school districts as counties and we have 77 of those. Minimum wage for a school district supervisor seems to be about 50k and in some district that can be about 500 dollars per student.

[fat mike]

im in texas over half a century and dont know waht a redneck is? if it was just about accents i prolly sound more like a hick than you do-there s a world of difference between our cowboys and whatever is in oklahoma or alabama-i have some tolerance for the latter-they dont have the money and power our soft handed wimps have

[jwreck]

[garyd]

Apparently not. The term refers to people like cowboys who work outside. The redneck is from exposure to the sun. And that sort of work seldom makes you rich. If you find a rich redneck he hit the lottery.

CD Keneysianism is in full play or should I say fool play right now. It is basically the notion that the govenment knows best where to put money. And given that what the average politician knows about business and economics amounts to what ever headline is printed on the front page of the business section as it hurtles toward the trashbinthat isn't likely.

[Šñøü†ê®]

Out of curiosity, in your opinion which US presidents were good?

That is a tough question. I don't think any were good. But a couple of them were Ron Paul-like in that they knew they SHOULD BE restrained by the Constitution and behaved accordingly.

Why pay attention to Snouter? He is just trying to badger you so that this thread will disintigrate into a food fight and end up being locked.

If the truth badgers, so be it! I simply was pointing out many of fat mike's threads lately are angry, incoherent, somewhat retarded rants!

[Cd.]

CD Keneysianism is in full play or should I say fool play right now. It is basically the notion that the govenment knows best where to put money. And given that what the average politician knows about business and economics amounts to what ever headline is printed on the front page of the business section as it hurtles toward the trashbinthat isn't likely.

Not exactly:
Kaynse believed that in able to stimulate an economy, society as a whole nees to create demand by financially empowering all citizens. This will create an increase in demand and the market will rise to provide for the need. This will stimulate more jobs.

This is the economic philosophy which saved England from financial collapse in the great depression. I think that today's economy could benefit from such a philosophy .

[Pappy&Me]

Not exactly:
Kaynse believed that in able to stimulate an economy, society as a whole nees to create demand by financially empowering all citizens. This will create an increase in demand and the market will rise to provide for the need. This will stimulate more jobs.

This is the economic philosophy which saved England from financial collapse in the great depression. I think that today's economy could benefit from such a philosophy .

England had no choice but to pick thmesleves up and work out of it.

We have half our citizens on welfare now,who refuse to work,another quarter are crinimals and radicials so this leaves us with a small minority to start over. England was also not divided into 50 different quarreling groups like we are.