Gay Marriage

[optimus]

Just show me that genetic component and I won't say another word.

Uh, have you ever seen a gay person? Gay men even look gay, it shows in their face. Gay women look gay too for the most part, take a look at some butch lesbos. Obvious genetic component.

[86Dùde]

My cousin is gay, but I'm not nor is any other cousin. He doesn't look remotely gay rather he looks like a marine. He has a PHD and a buzz cut. I'm not yet sold on the genetic component but I'm open to it. What I can tell you is that my cousin was very badly abused by his father, physically but not sexually, when he was young. He was a raging alcoholic and there seems to always be some link to fucked up adults and the abuse the underwent as children, but this is just an observation and I'm still on the fence here.

[Going Postal]

It'll make lawyers richer.

Guys don't want to get married. They do it because they get tired of the field, want a good cook, someone to clean the house, and/or oops Sally Ann rottencrotch is preggers, I guess I do the right thing and marry the girl. As can be seen with the aids rate, homos loves them some outie nookie; they love that field.

[Going Postal]

My cousin is gay, but I'm not nor is any other cousin. He doesn't look remotely gay rather he looks like a marine. He has a PHD and a buzz cut. I'm not yet sold on the genetic component but I'm open to it. What I can tell you is that my cousin was very badly abused by his father, physically but not sexually, when he was young. He was a raging alcoholic and there seems to always be some link to fucked up adults and the abuse the underwent as children, but this is just an observation and I'm still on the fence here.

How many boys in the family? There's a genetic theory (testosterone based) that the youngest boy from large families with a lot of boys will be gay. That fits my cousin. My uncle was a great guy. Big extended family (mom's) in that city. No hint of him being an asshoe. All his other boys are heteros. my gay cousin has always been gay, even before sex was on his mind - effeminate.

A family friend is gay. His mom worked in my dad's store. Only child. Dad was in prison for some years. Copper theft and other burglery. Spent some years living with his domineering granny. Hints of mom hoeing - slut, not bought and paid for. Always has been gay - effeminate.

[Going Postal]

Uh, have you ever seen a gay person? Gay men even look gay, it shows in their face. Gay women look gay too for the most part, take a look at some butch lesbos. Obvious genetic component.

[Going Postal]

I don't pretend to understand queers. I thought I did once but now I'm on the fence. They were, obviously, always with us but they never had a society that they could feel free to speak about their plight so there is an illusion of this being phenomenon of a broken society. Similarly, there is no good evidence that conclusively proves that it is genetic so then it is either a condition of choice OR a condition of circumstances that occurred at a young age.

Can be both. Humans are malleable. I lived with some lesbians in college. Their friends would come over. During alcohol and...weed, they would open up. The lipstick ones had abuse issues; pretty women, cute girls (or later, abusive boyfriend issues). Women need companionship. They don't trust men; they go to females. The strange part was that the social lipsticks paired with the genetic dykes. Which sucked, I was hoping for cinamax in my rental. well, not so strange, because dykes are close to being males.

Then there's prison. 5 to 10 of sucking dick will change a guy. Those pray the gay away places should exist for these people.

A boy runs away from home. MickeyDees wants an address. Boy doesn't have one - no hire. Doesn't want to steal. Say hello to sucking dick to an old gay perv. but, it's a roof, 3 hots and a cot and you're not around the abuse from your fucked up home.

Need anymore?

[jwreck]

SO the general consensus is no?

[86Dùde]

Interesting.

[Notalibtard]

IS GFB's faggotness genetic? Or did he choose to become a Faggot? Teller was definitely born a Faggot.

[Malcolm Wright]

^^^ the ^^^

[Powerboss]

OK. I'll take a shot at it off the top of my head.

Government has an interest in wanting to promote and encourage the ideal union. For obvious reasons the male / female construct is the ideal union as it guarantees perpetuation of the species, obviously that's an interest of any Government. Second, children benefit from having both a male and female role model in the home and the stability that encompasses it. Stable home environment = Stable functional family units = Stable, functional Children. It benefits society, it benefits men, it benefits women, and it benefits children. Simply, the male/female union is the ideal union and that is what Government should encourage.

Government should remain neutral in same sex relationships, it should nether encourage or discourage them.

OK, Have at it!

[jwreck]

In that case, isn't the ideal union independently wealthy couples who can stay at home and devote 100% of themselves to raising children? There is a broad spectrum between ideal and acceptable. Is a single mom on welfare ideal? Obviously not. Is it better than two hard working successful homosexual women?

[jwreck]

Also, it is a long way from encouraging one to declaring the other illegal.

[Dreamy]

Considering the sad state of marriage in the hands of heteros I am not truly clear on what exactly about the institution of marriage straights are trying to protect.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Maybe instead of banning gay marriage, we should ban all marriages between partners who cannot or will not have children. Let's be consistent. Otherwise, it looks like discrimination of a minority that some of our more intolerant citizens just don't like.

[Dreamy]

Maybe instead of banning gay marriage, we should ban all marriages between partners who cannot or will not have children. Let's be consistent. Otherwise, it looks like discrimination of a minority that some of our more intolerant citizens just don't like.

I have no idea why the government is even involved in marriage. Let people of various faiths do as they please as far as their chosen unions and be done with it. Let the lawyers draw up the papers to protect the financial and the children.

[Chachma v'Oz]

I have no idea why the government is even involved in marriage. Let people of various faiths do as they please as far as their chosen unions and be done with it. Let the lawyers draw up the papers to protect the financial and the children.

Marriage licenses were developed to keep the races from intermarrying.

Let me guess, a conservative aim? Nah...

[Ptimb85]

I think there might be an underlying fear in some religious people that the government would force churches to marry gay people. I'm all for equal civil union rights and churches should do whatever they like. To clarify, I don't believe the government would ever try to force churches to marry gay people but I could see law suits against churches popping up in the future when legislation is passed. I agree with Dreamy, the government really has no place weather or not a marriage is legitimate. Marriage is a religious institution. In regards to Powerboss's post I don't see how determining the legitimacy of marriage between certain couples would lead to a larger or smaller population. The same unmarried/married heteros would have the same amount of babies and homosexuals will still produce the same amount of children they always have ( 0 ), it just might make it easier for them to adopt a child that otherwise may have never been adopted.

[the incredible b]

they never had a society that they could feel free to speak about their plight so there is an illusion of this being phenomenon of a broken society.

there is no reason for such an illusion. theres been plenty of societies that had no problem with homosexuality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_homosexuality

Similarly, there is no good evidence that conclusively proves that it is genetic so then it is either a condition of choice OR a condition of circumstances that occurred at a young age.

maybe someday we'll figure out the genetic side of it. i think its a combination of the three, with 'choice' being a very weak factor, if one at all.

[Chachma v'Oz]

... with 'choice' being a very weak factor,..

But a no less valid reason in a free country.