Classmates say Romney was a bully!

[Chachma v'Oz]

Some of us use "Kenyan" to point out his probable place of birth, hence placing him as a "naturalized" citizen, not a "natural born" one.

To be a naturalized citizen, one must first be a citizen of another country, apply for US citizenship, and be granted it. Show us that paper trail and then we'll discuss what type of US citizen our president is.

[caddis]

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[Chachma v'Oz]

If that was supposed to be a response to my request for a paper trail, I meant his foreign passport, application for a US visa, application for US citizenship and Certificate of Naturalization. Absent those, and since his mother was a US citizen, Obama is a natural born US citizen, not naturalized.

[big steve]

To be a naturalized citizen, one must first be a citizen of another country, apply for US citizenship, and be granted it. Show us that paper trail and then we'll discuss what type of US citizen our president is.

The proof is on you Bub. I don't play your stupid games. Show us Hussein's original BC!

[Chachma v'Oz]

Show the world the paper trail proving he's not what his birth certificate says he is.

[antiquity]

Anyone born in another country and has migrated to the US over 40 years ago wouldn't necessary leave a paper trail especially if one of the parents was an American citizen. The adults would require a visa and passports but the child wouldn't necessarily require any documentation. Today it is different and has been since 9/11.

[optimus]

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You're quite the imbecile, aren't you?

[Chachma v'Oz]

Anyone born in another country and has migrated to the US over 40 years ago wouldn't necessary leave a paper trail especially if one of the parents was an American citizen. The adults would require a visa and passports but the child wouldn't necessarily require any documentation. Today it is different and has been since 9/11.

Then I guess we're stuck with what we have, a BC certified by the state that issued it and no evidence that it isn't valid.

See, that was so easy. What's all the furor over? Could it be no more than sour grapes about a young black Chicago lawyer being a more desirable presidential candidate than a senior white celebrated war hero?

[hadit]

You're quite the imbecile, aren't you?

How so? The literary agent obviously thought Obama was a Kenyan, and since there's no evidence Obama protested the assignation, either he was lying then or lying now. I'm going with then, but it again demonstrates Obama's less than transparent transparency about his life. He seems to be hiding more than he's divulging, for no apparent good reason.

BTW, you can feel free to knock off the "imbecile" cracks.

That goes for everybody.

[antiquity]

Then I guess we're stuck with what we have, a BC certified by the state that issued it and no evidence that it isn't valid.

See, that was so easy. What's all the furor over? Could it be no more than sour grapes about a young black Chicago lawyer being a more desirable presidential candidate than a senior white celebrated war hero?

Not sure what you are talking about. I haven't never said Obama wasn't born in the US or implied he wasn't.

Since I voted for Obama but have now have regrets is not sour grapes, it coming to the realization that he has failed the test. He doesn't deserve to be re-elected based on his performance over the last three and half years, nothing more. But if you want to play the race card with your 'young black...versus a senior white'.....comment, be my guest. To me it came down to a promised change that unfortunately didn't come to pass.

[optimus]

How so? The literary agent obviously thought Obama was a Kenyan, and since there's no evidence Obama protested the assignation, either he was lying then or lying now. I'm going with then, but it again demonstrates Obama's less than transparent transparency about his life. He seems to be hiding more than he's divulging, for no apparent good reason.

Good god, you are slow. Why does everything always need to be spelled out for you? No one can possible be as incompetent as you are.
http://www.discussanything.com/forum...=1#post2282696

Have you always been this dense? Caddis posted this as evidence of a "paper trail," even though the assistant editor has already made it very clear that she made a mistake.

[Truth Teller]

This man is totally devoid of empathy.

I won't go that far,he has done good deeds (so has Obama and Biden) and I give him kudos for that.

The man grew up wealthy and cannot indentify with those less fortunate than himself.

He clearly does not understand that ten grand bets and building four elevators for his cars is not how you get the common man and woman to relate to you.

He also doesn't get that downzing is "vulture captialism".

Maybe if we had national health care we can all get our meds.

Then maybe we can get you a prescription as well.

Correct.

Some of us use "Kenyan" to point out his probable place of birth, hence placing him as a "naturalized" citizen, not a "natural born" one.

I'd say you guys use "Kenyan" for racist reasons.

I don't play your stupid games.

That's only because you've got more than enough stupid games of your own to partake in.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Not sure what you are talking about. I haven't never said Obama wasn't born in the US or implied he wasn't.

I wasn't arguing with you, merely expanding on what you said. If any records that may have substantiated Obama being born elsewhere are unobtainable, we have to use what we do have.

Since I voted for Obama but have now have regrets is not sour grapes, it coming to the realization that he has failed the test. He doesn't deserve to be re-elected based on his performance over the last three and half years, nothing more.

Some of us are wiling to give him a fighting chance to do the enormous job we expect of him.

But if you want to play the race card with your 'young black...versus a senior white'.....comment, be my guest. To me it came down to a promised change that unfortunately didn't come to pass.

I mentioned what the presidential race looked like to an objective observer. There's no race card in play. I can mention his race, McCain's race, anybody's race and it isn't "playing the race card" unless that's all you see when race is mentioned for any reason.

[Chachma v'Oz]

I'd say you guys use "Kenyan" for racist reasons.

I'd say some, like BS, throw around big words like "naturalized" without a clue as to what they mean.

[hadit]

He also doesn't get that downzing is "vulture captialism".

And you still haven't told me what you would prefer a company that literally cannot afford to pay all of its workers should do. Sometimes it comes down a choice, lay off a thousand workers or put tens of thousands of people out of work. Are you seriously maintaining that a company can never, ever, lay off any workers at all, for any reason?

[big steve]

I'd say some, like BS, throw around big words like "naturalized" without a clue as to what they mean.

I would say "naturalized" in the context used means someone who became a US citizen by a method other than what is defined as "natural born" in our Constitution whereas they are qualified for the presidency only by being "natural born.".

[Malcolm Wright]

To be a naturalized citizen, one must first be a citizen of another country, apply for US citizenship, and be granted it. Show us that paper trail and then we'll discuss what type of US citizen our president is.

So much of the arguments with these guys revolve around them suffering from BASIC confusion about terminology, logic, cause and effect - its absurd.

[Malcolm Wright]

I'd say some, like BS, throw around big words like "naturalized" without a clue as to what they mean.

Saddest thing is, its not such a big word... LOL

[Chachma v'Oz]

I would say "naturalized" in the context used means someone who became a US citizen by a method other than what is defined as "natural born" in our Constitution whereas they are qualified for the presidency only by being "natural born.".

Well, there's your problem right there. The constitution doesn't define "natural born".

These folks have dug into the matter: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

Their conclusion is that "the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth," including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements."

When in doubt, ask the experts.

[trgfbv]

Well, there's your problem right there. The constitution doesn't define "natural born".

These folks have dug into the matter: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

Their conclusion is that "the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth," including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements."

When in doubt, ask the experts.

It is now clear. Hopefully the racist Birthers wil find another hate filled delusion on which to focus their cloudy eyes.