Does Mitt Romney's Opposition To Civil Unions Come From Mormon Doctrine?

[antiquity]

Did Kennedy renounce or leave the Catholic Church? No

Has Obama declared his independence from Black Liberation Theology? Survey says....No

If you want to bring religion into this election go ahead. We'll have a field day with Obama / Wright.

So again:

Why did Obama have a hatemonger and Anti American like Wright minister his wedding? Why did Obama go to his church for 25 years? Why did Obama have his children baptized by Wright? He threw him under the bus when it was politically convenient to do so. We both know Wrights hate was not limited to the few soundbites of him, Obama heard him for 25 years expressing his bilge....yet didn't feel a need to abandon him until it started getting a few headlines....Why is that? What does that say about your master?

Don't know, don't care. I'm more concerned about the economy, jobs, the massive debt/deficits, our national security, all of which your Master receives an F in. I'm pretty certain most Americans feel the same way. The question is, why don't you care about the economy, jobs, the massive debt/deficits? Why are you not talking up Obama's record, after all, he now has a record to talk about?

Its obvious why liberal don't want to talk about the economy, jobs and the deficits, because they have no defense. TT and other here on DA want you to forget about the real issues, the ones Obama is afraid to talk about including his signature Health Care Plan.

[antiquity]

There is a reason why many LDS church members take that stance. It's because they do not want homosexual couples to be able to legally adopt children. This is the plain and simple truth behind it.

I myself do not want Romenazi in the whitehouse.... he just isn't capable of being anything but a shill for big oil. He would revive many of the Bush-era polices that caused the recession we're all living in. This is just not acceptable.

Of course Vader you have proof of that statement.

[Truth Teller]

Did Kennedy renounce or leave the Catholic Church? No

He was still independent from the Pope,that much is obvious.

JFK still went to Mass,but his lifestyle made it clear he wasn't a "good" Catholic.

Has Obama declared his independence from Black Liberation Theology? Survey says....No

I've seen no proof he ever was into it,just rumors from right-wing gossip mongers.

He was a kid from a upper middle-class background running for office in a working-class district,he joined Rev Wright's church to make himself known with the people in that district.

Most politicians join a religion for votes,but Mormonism is a religion that does not get you votes outside of Utah.

If you want to bring religion into this election go ahead.

I don't want to,but it would be a lie to say people aren't concerned about it.

People are afraid of what they don't know ,and few people know Mormons or Mormonism,and some who do(take Sparkly Mary) don't have favorable views of it at all.

Being a Mormon won't hurt Romney with liberals,it will hurt him with Evangelicals,the GOP base.

We'll have a field day with Obama / Wright.

It didn't work four years ago,it won't work now.

Don't know, don't care.

Nice spin,the fact is you think Romney is wrong on civil unions,but you don't have the balls to admit it.

I'm pretty certain most Americans feel the same way.

To you an "American" is not a US citizen,but someone who agrees with you.

The question is, why don't you care about the economy, jobs, the massive debt/deficits? Why are you not talking up Obama's record, after all, he now has a record to talk about?

My (swing)state was/is as hard hit by the recession as any,and the last poll showed Obama not only ahead,but ahead by way past the margin of error.

GM is alive,bin Laden is dead, and Obama palyed a major part in both,that's what we care about in my state.

[Truth Teller]

But of course you missed the part where Romney said the states should decide about civil unions and not the federal government, and since 40 state have done that.....

Bush 43 didn't feel that way,so you're saying Romney is even farther to the extreme right-wing than Bush 43 is.

[Powerboss]

He was still independent from the Pope,that much is obvious.

JFK still went to Mass,but his lifestyle made it clear he wasn't a "good" Catholic.

So he wasn't a good Catholic. OK. What you're saying is in order for it to not matter is that the person must not follow their religions teachings in order to be acceptable.

I've seen no proof he ever was into it,just rumors from right-wing gossip mongers.

He attended for 25 years. That's hardly insignificant.

He was a kid from a upper middle-class background running for office in a working-class district,he joined Rev Wright's church to make himself known with the people in that district.

Again, you just proved my earlier point. You are saying he didn't practice, follow, or agree with the religions teachings, although I don't see you have provided any evidence supporting your statement, but simply was being an opportunist. What does that say about him? He's a fraud?

Most politicians join a religion for votes,but Mormonism is a religion that does not get you votes outside of Utah.

So the fact that Romney is honest and is religious for reasons other than popularity, and follows his religion and is not phony is a bad thing to you. Got it.

I don't want to,but it would be a lie to say people aren't concerned about it.

The only people concerned about it are left wing moonbats.

People are afraid of what they don't know ,and few people know Mormons or Mormonism,and some who do(take Sparkly Mary) don't have favorable views of it at all.

The same can be said of Black Liberation Theology or any other religion.

Are you proposing a religious test?

Being a Mormon won't hurt Romney with liberals,it will hurt him with Evangelicals,the GOP base.

Not going to matter.

It didn't work four years ago,it won't work now.

The media did no serious investigation of it, they protected Obama as they continue to do.
Regardless, Romney's faith is not going to affect him in any significant way. People care more about Obama's incompetence and failure to get the country going.

Nice spin,the fact is you think Romney is wrong on civil unions,but you don't have the balls to admit it.

Wrong again. This is a minor issue compared to the real issues but you want to keep harping on these minor issues because you don't want to discuss the big issues.

To you an "American" is not a US citizen,but someone who agrees with you.

How would you know?

My (swing)state was/is as hard hit by the recession as any,and the last poll showed Obama not only ahead,but ahead by way past the margin of error.

ROFL. Ohio is currently a toss up.

GM is alive,bin Laden is dead, and Obama palyed a major part in both,that's what we care about in my state.

Its absolutely hilarious that those 2 acheievements would not have happened if it were not for Bush and the policies he enacted.... and Obama opposed with the latter. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!
Go ahead, run on it!

Jobs, economy, debt......Obama gets an F and you know it and he's going to get hammered repeatedly on it.

[antiquity]

Bush 43 didn't feel that way,so you're saying Romney is even farther to the extreme right-wing than Bush 43 is.

No, I am saying Romney has made the statement its up to the individual states to make that choice and it seem they have been doing that all along.
Although I personally could care less about gay marriage or unions one way or the other, Romney clearly has made his views known on the subject from the very beginning and Obama has catered to his base and flip-flopped in a very short time.

I guess Romney on this subject has convictions and sticks to them and Obama caters.

[Truth Teller]

So he wasn't a good Catholic. OK. What you're saying is in order for it to not matter is that the person must not follow their religions teachings in order to be acceptable.

It's not me personally,I'm just expressing political reality.

He attended for 25 years. That's hardly insignificant.

He attended because most of his district did.

Again, you just proved my earlier point. You are saying he didn't practice, follow, or agree with the religions teachings, although I don't see you have provided any evidence supporting your statement, but simply was being an opportunist. What does that say about him? He's a fraud?

I think that is true of most politicians ,liberal or conservative.

So the fact that Romney is honest and is religious for reasons other than popularity, and follows his religion and is not phony is a bad thing to you. Got it.

I'm not talking about my opinions,I'm talking about what most people think.

Personally,I have nothing against Mormons or Mormonism per se,most (but not all) Mormons are politically too conservative for me ,I personally don't agree with the theology,but I also feel to each his/her own.

John Huntsman is a conservative ,Republican,Mormon and I resepct him very much.

I think Mitt Romeny has done good deeds and I give him kudos for that.

I'm not voting for Romney for strictly political reasons,but that's me,I'm not sure most people are as open minded as I am on Mormonism.

The only people concerned about it are left wing moonbats.

You need to get out more.

The same can be said of Black Liberation Theology or any other religion.

Againa,BLT are just words right-wing fear mongers use.

Wrong again. This is a minor issue compared to the real issues but you want to keep harping on these minor issues because you don't want to discuss the big issues.

Spin.

Ohio is currently a toss up.

Not according to most recent polls.

Florida is a toss up.

Its absolutely hilarious that those 2 acheievements would not have happened if it were not for Bush and the policies he enacted.... and Obama opposed with the latter. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!
Go ahead, run on it!

Spin.

Jobs, economy, debt......Obama gets an F and you know it and he's going to get hammered repeatedly on it.

People can't relate to anything about Romney ,his faith,his wealth,"vulture capitalism",etc.,people relate to Obama.

[antiquity]

[QUOTE=Truth Teller;2280869He was a kid from a upper middle-class background running for office in a working-class district,he joined Rev Wright's church to make himself known with the people in that district.[/QUOTE]

Most politicians join a religion for votes,but Mormonism is a religion that does not get you votes outside of Utah.

Enough votes so to get his dad elected Governor of MI and Mitt elected governor in one of the most liberal states in the Union, MASS.

I don't want to,but it would be a lie to say people aren't concerned about it.

Only INTOLERANT liberal type people.

Being a Mormon won't hurt Romney with liberals,it will hurt him with Evangelicals,the GOP base.

No evidence of that in any of the primaries.

Nice spin,the fact is you think Romney is wrong on civil unions,but you don't have the balls to admit it.

No its more the fact you can't admit what he actually said.

My (swing)state was/is as hard hit by the recession as any,and the last poll showed Obama not only ahead,but ahead by way past the margin of error.

Any one can find a poll to support their agenda.

Show a couple major polls like USA Today or the NYT.

GM is alive,bin Laden is dead, and Obama palyed a major part in both,that's what we care about in my state.

Are you saying people in your state don't care about the economy, the massive debt or jobs?

[garyd]

And TT Obama and Romney are in exact agreement with the Idea that it is up to the states to decide about Civil Unions. So please explain to me where Obama's voting essentially status quo, has improved the lot of gays seeking to force their
morality on other's?

[Truth Teller]

Enough votes so to get his dad elected Governor of MI

His dad was stealth about his Mormonism,as Mitt is,it's jsut that it's harder to be stealth today.

and Mitt elected governor in one of the most liberal states in the Union, MASS.

Back then, he ran as a pro-choice,pro-birth control,pro-Romneycare,pro-gay, liberal.

Only INTOLERANT liberal type people.

Continue to believe your stereotpyes ,and continue to stay ignorant about reality.

No evidence of that in any of the primaries.

You obviously weren't paying attention,the only reason Romeny got the nomnation is because the Evangelical base vote was split from four to two ways.

No its more the fact you can't admit what he actually said.

You are either a liar or an ignoramus.

Any one can find a poll to support their agenda.

I shouldn't say this,but I'm refering to the state of the art polls both candiates use.

Obama is up 8 points in Ohio,which is well past the margin of error.

Are you saying people in your state don't care about the economy, the massive debt or jobs?

I'm saying it's getting way better in my state ,and the bailout and related programs are major reasons for it.

And TT Obama and Romney are in exact agreement with the Idea that it is up to the states to decide about Civil Unions. So please explain to me where Obama's voting essentially status quo, has improved the lot of gays seeking to force their
morality on other's?

Well,what Obama just said makes civil unons moot.

Can you back up your other claims?

[86Dùde]

He sucks, but then again so does the new hope. Hey, this is like star wars.

[Šñøü†ê®]

His dad was stealth about his Mormonism,as Mitt is,it's jsut that it's harder to be stealth today.

^Anti-Mormon Nazi Alert!

[Truth Teller]

^Anti-Mormon Nazi Alert!

You are a nutjob Snouter.

[Šñøü†ê®]

Teller, you seem particularly obsessed with Mick Romney's religion and Christian derived religions in general. Yet you slander people and smear them to the best of your feeble ability for discussing the non-Christian religions of politicians. Isn't that hypocritical of you Teller!

[antiquity]

His dad was stealth about his Mormonism,as Mitt is,it's jsut that it's harder to be stealth today.

I haven't noticed Mitt Romney making any speeches about his religion one what or the other. You and other liberals are the only ones making a big deal out of religion and we all know why. Defection, defection, defection......When are you going to call Romney a racist? Latter in the election cycle, maybe. We all know its coming.

By the way, isn't the unemployment rate for the Central Area of Cleveland over 25%? But I hear Cleveland has nice rest rooms in all their parks.

[Chachma v'Oz]

I haven't noticed Mitt Romney making any speeches about his religion one what or the other. You and other liberals are the only ones making a big deal out of religion and we all know why. Defection, defection, defection......When are you going to call Romney a racist? Latter in the election cycle, maybe. We all know its coming.

By the way, isn't the unemployment rate for the Central Area of Cleveland over 25%? But I hear Cleveland has nice rest rooms in all their parks.

He gave a speech a few days ago to a national gathering of Christian evangelicals in an attempt to dissuade them that his church was a cult.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_..._evangelicals/

In his twenty-minute speech he mentioned "Christian" and "Christ" a dozen or more times. He was met with polite applause at appropriate intervals until he restated his opinion that marriage should be between one man and one woman, which got him a standing ovation.

If he can be kept campaigning to his core on lesser, hot-button issues rather than against Obama, he'll gain nothing and lose a lot of the independent vote.

[Vader]

But of course you missed the part where Romney said the states should decide about civil unions and not the federal government, and since 40 state have done that.....

Romney isn't being honest here. As a mormon, he is opposed to civil unions and gay marriage because it would give the parties involved the right to adopt children. This is why the mormon church is so against these things.

[Vader]

I haven't noticed Mitt Romney making any speeches about his religion one what or the other. You and other liberals are the only ones making a big deal out of religion and we all know why. Defection, defection, defection......When are you going to call Romney a racist? Latter in the election cycle, maybe. We all know its coming.

By the way, isn't the unemployment rate for the Central Area of Cleveland over 25%? But I hear Cleveland has nice rest rooms in all their parks.

If unemployement is high, a republican and his greed are responsible.

[hadit]

If unemployement is high, a republican and his greed are responsible.

Evidence?

[garyd]

No such thing exists except in Vader's feeble mind.