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Well Mitt Romney once supported gay marriage in Mass.
Now he is saying that he is against it.
Obama has always supported gay rights. What made Governor etch-o-scetch change his tune?
After winning the Presidency in part on the weight of his repeated statements that he didn't support same-sex marriage, one of Obama's last remaining unbroken promises bit the dust yesterday.
Was he pushed into it by his VP's untimely statements on the subject?
Or was it the latest in his long series of attempts to shift the conversation in one bold stroke, away from failures in the economy, foreign relations, health care, dwindling poll numbers etc.?
Taranto sheds some illumination on the possible reason(s).
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Updated May 10, 2012, 4:10 p.m. ET
Why Obama Flipped
Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat has two mommies.
by JAMES TARANTO
Updated May 10, 2012, 4:10 p.m. ET
Last night brought an email from Barack Obama with the subject line "Marriage." It began: "James--Today, I was asked a direct question and gave a direct answer."
What drove Obama to do something so wildly out of character?
Money, for one thing. The Washington Post reported the other day that "about one in six of Obama's top campaign 'bundlers' are gay . . . making it difficult for the president to defer the matter." Lefty Post blogger Greg Sargent added:
Some leading gay and progressive donors are so angry over
President Obama's refusal to sign an executive order barring same sex
discrimination by federal contractors that they are refusing to give any
more money to the pro-Obama super PAC, a top gay fundraiser's office
tells me. In some cases, I'm told, big donations are being withheld.
BuzzFeed.com adds that "many in Hollywood" have "been privately sharing" the view that "the Obama presidency has been a flop. . . . But, as if on cue, Obama may have changed the narrative Wednesday in one bold move--the kind of transformative act those in Hollywood have been waiting for."
Not that there's anything wrong with a politician listening to his financial supporters. Though don't hold your breath waiting for the New York Times to denounce this as an example of the corrupting influence of political money.
One shouldn't discount sheer moral vanity as a motivator either. Yahoo! News's Walter Shapiro speculates that "in moral terms, it is quite possible that Obama could not personally endure further equivocation." Late last night Obama (via his campaign account, @BarackObama) tweeted a photo of himself looking skyward, with a quote from himself: " 'Same-sex couples should be able to get married.'--President Obama." The text of the tweet read simply: "History."
It is possible that Obama's self-love amplifies the workings of the Taranto principle by making him and his advisers especially sensitive to elite liberal opinion. "In the end, people close to the president say, it wasn't a close call," Politico reports:
The core of their argument against Mitt Romney is that he is an
untrustworthy politician with no real core of conviction. Obama's advisers--
who are acutely conscious of the media's criticism despite their professed
contempt for the news cycle--simply couldn't afford to have the president
appear like a coward on the front and editorial pages of The New York Times
and The Washington Post, according to senior Democrats.
You have to love both the cynicism and the self-contradiction of carefully calibrating a major change in position in order to serve the purpose of making the other guy look like a flip-flopper.
(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
"The social contract exists so that everyone doesn’t have to squat in the dust holding a spear to protect his woman and his meat all day every day. It does not exist so that the government can take your spear, your meat, and your woman because it knows better what to do with them." - Instapundit.com
Really?
Well Mitt Romney once supported gay marriage in Mass.
Now he is saying that he is against it.
Obama has always supported gay rights. What made Governor etch-o-scetch change his tune?
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln
[citation needed]Originally Posted by Cd.
And Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.Obama has always supported gay rights.
When running for the Illinois state Senate he said he favored it. When he was running for US Senate in 2004 and for President in 2008, he said opposed it. In May of 2012, running for reelection, he said he supports it.
The idea of Obama supporters calling Romney "Governor Etch-A-Sketch" all of a sudden strikes me as quite amusing though the effect is likely unintentional.What made Governor etch-o-scetch change his tune?
Last edited by Alberto_Balsalm; 05-11-2012 at 05:05 AM.
Incidentally, here is a link to a section of Wikipedia article on Romney's record while he was governor of Massachusetts concerning his stance on gay marriage. After reading said article it's clear to me that Romney has been consistently opposed to gay marriage. This of course raises the question as to why I'm doing your research for you.
Last edited by Alberto_Balsalm; 05-11-2012 at 06:09 AM.
Cd is one of the biggest lying kook left members on DA.
Just sayin.
The is only one reason for the Obama flipflop such as it was. MONEY.
Annoy a leftist: Think logically.
Some $3 bills never hurt the ol' pocket-book.
Human beings change their minds.
Politicians are no exception - additionally they have the added incentive to change their minds opportunistically.
However if you folks are interested in determining the beliefs that exist below the changing faces of the politicians in question, an examination of their general beliefs and practices over time can yield useful indicators.
Sadly I think most of you are more interested in bashing other political camps.
Archaix (05-13-2012), GanjaFreebird (05-17-2012)
Does that mean Obama is as Queer as a three-dollar bill? LOL
Šñøü†ê® (05-17-2012)
Well not quite I think but the refence was as intended.
Annoy a leftist: Think logically.
Obama is a disgusting, incompetent fool! His arrogance coupled with his bi-sexual history will be his undoing. He is a non-transparent scumbucket.
Šñøü†ê® (05-17-2012)
Big Steve, are you drunk posting again?
BooRadley (05-17-2012), GanjaFreebird (05-17-2012)
I don't drink alcohol or use illegal drugs. I realize that sets me apart from many of you on this board, but so be it. I just tell it like it is.
Ok, so you're not drunk when you post then. Please tell me you're mildly retarded.
When a Democrat changes his mind it's "evolving". When a Republican does, it's "Flip Flopping and unprincipled"
I think they especially love it when the democrat evolves in both directions, best of all at the same time. That's why they loved John "I was for it before I was against it" Kerry.
The ambassador died, Obama lied.
Why don't dems just say that Obama evolved while Romney flip-flopped? Then repubs can state that it was Obama that flip-flopped, while Romney merely elaborated on his position?
After that, we can dump this thread and move back to more important issues, like the economy.
Malcolm Wright (05-17-2012)
The ever improving economy is what the Republicans don't want to face.
I wish I could thank you for that post on the "ever improving economy". Hopefully, your optimism will be justified, but I'll remain pessimistic until we know more about the EU crisis.
Just out of curiosity, if McCain had become president, what would he have done differently, how would it have turned out by now differently, and why would that have been any more successful than the Republican policies that created the mess in the first place?
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