Reply With Quotethe incredible b (05-03-2012)
Originally Posted by Freedom&Liberty
I represent the angry, gun toting meat eating people. ~ Denis Leary
The same shepherd that protects the flock leads them to the slaughterhouse.
the incredible b (05-03-2012)
Then you agree that profit isn't moral or amoral.
No, but I don't consider it to be moral, either. I like computers, so I got a job working with them. It pays the bills so I can live my life and pursue actually moral or immoral activities.
Are you telling me a bunch of jar heads built that bomb? No, scientists did. They also built the depleted uranium shells we shoot into people's houses. They also made the Zyklon B gas that the Nazi's used to slaughter civilians with. They also made mustard gas.
Science isn't a moral pursuit, it's an intellectual pursuit. You may or may not engage in it for moral reasons, but it's not morality, of itself. Just like profit isn't.
"All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell [the bible] teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society." Rep. Paul Broun (R)
"I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!" -- Jerry Falwell
jwreck (05-03-2012)
Actually, many musicians make precisely that claim because according to them, music is a peaceful and civilizing pursuit that brings humans together. I always wonder about death metal and gangsta rap when I hear such sentiments expressed, but that doesn't change the fact such claims are made.
FL, just go back to the drawing boards will you? You got your wires crossed on this one.
M.
Science developed the weapon, it didn't decide where or when to use it.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
QFT.
I represent the angry, gun toting meat eating people. ~ Denis Leary
The same shepherd that protects the flock leads them to the slaughterhouse.
Malcolm Wright (05-03-2012)
Profit is moral, theft is not profit. Profit is earned, not stolen.
So profit earned enhances your life, which is moral.No, but I don't consider it to be moral, either. I like computers, so I got a job working with them. It pays the bills so I can live my life and pursue actually moral or immoral activities.
I'm telling you that science didn't drop a bomb on anyone. Science may develop a weapon, or a new drug, or a cereal additive. All have the potential to enhance life.Otherwise science wouldn't ne developing them. And before you phrase another question in some ass backwards way, the bomb ended the war which could easily be argued as moral.Are you telling me a bunch of jar heads built that bomb? No, scientists did. They also built the depleted uranium shells we shoot into people's houses. They also made the Zyklon B gas that the Nazi's used to slaughter civilians with. They also made mustard gas.
Science, religion and profit are all moral pursuits. Such is the nature of man.Science isn't a moral pursuit, it's an intellectual pursuit. You may or may not engage in it for moral reasons, but it's not morality, of itself. Just like profit isn't.
Last edited by Freedom&Liberty; 05-03-2012 at 05:00 PM.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
That's just hippy talk. Name one musician that precisely claims that music can solve all the worlds problems. Religion has certainly made that claim and so has science.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
I have yet to see anyone here prove that science isn't a religion.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
Your failure to see is your own. It has been explained to you quite clearly.
Some people treat science as a religion, but it is not one.
M.
jwreck (05-03-2012), the incredible b (05-04-2012)
How exactly is this a criterion of whether something is a religion or not?
Religions don't necessarily need to claim to solve all the world's problems in order to be religions.
Does Christianity or Islam claim to solve all of this world's problems? No.
Your failures of logic are on so many levels, it makes it almost impossible to hold a conversation on a steady path with you. Your successive claims spiral off on logically false tangents. Out of respect for your fellow board members, please try to clean up your thought process before posting.
M.
STFU, Malcolm. I've presented no false tangents. Even you aren't so dense that you can't realize that science and religion have essentially the same purpose. To give mankind hope. That seems like a moral quest to me. How about you? Or would you rather wallow in your own foolish notions of peaceful and civilizing pursuit that brings humans together.
Christianity and Islam have always insisted that reason and intellect be applied to all problems which man may encounter. Science is no different.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
Hilarious. In the same breath, you claim no tangents, yet you then present ANOTHER logical fallacy that sends us on ANOTHER tangent.
You speak of my own 'foolish notions of peaceful and civilizing pursuit that brings humans together'. It was made perfectly clear to you that I was only quoting the opinions of many musicians about music. I even expressed personal doubt towards THEIR notions by citing the counter examples of gangster rap and death metal: both highly anti-social expressions. How you read that and concluded I was speaking my own opinion about music is a complete mystery.
I could make a comedy from our interactions here, and guess what: we'd both look foolish in it because I have to be at least a little bit foolish to even be trying to reason with you, considering how most of your posts fail to reflect reality.
I disagree that science's main purpose is to bring humankind hope. Hope is an emotion. Science concerns itself with knowledge and application.
But the logical fallacy you seem COMPLETELY unable to see in your reasoning, despite everyone trying to help you here, is that even if Christianity, Islam and Science all shared the goal you claim, it does not logically follow that they are all religions.
The last analogy confused you more than it helped you but I'll try another one just for kicks.
The Christian, Islamic and Star Trek fan communities all gather amongst themselves socially to indulge their interests. Does that mean Star Trek is a religion?
Besides, your attempt to prove science is a religion by creating vague links of creating hope for humanity makes as little sense as using the very same argument to claim Christianity and Islam are sciences.
Good luck FL. You are a very confused human being.
M.
jwreck (05-03-2012)
I'm not confused at all. Everything I've presented is perfectly reasonable and not one person came back with anything that disputes it. You clearly lack the moral and human insight to understand what I've shown you. I'm not surprised.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
And you haven't proven that God isn't just Yoda's nephew meddling with the force.
I represent the angry, gun toting meat eating people. ~ Denis Leary
The same shepherd that protects the flock leads them to the slaughterhouse.
BooRadley (05-03-2012)
Taking the haughty approach here is not helping your cause.
I represent the angry, gun toting meat eating people. ~ Denis Leary
The same shepherd that protects the flock leads them to the slaughterhouse.
the incredible b (05-08-2012)
An economic profit arises when revenue exceeds the opportunity cost of inputs. Cost of input: $5 for a knife. Income: $200 from your wallet. Profit.
Also, enhancing your life isn't moral in and of itself in the eyes of anyone except psychopaths.
"All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell [the bible] teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society." Rep. Paul Broun (R)
"I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!" -- Jerry Falwell
the incredible b (05-04-2012)
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