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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom&Liberty View Post
    NJR never said he hated blacks.

    rac·ism
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    1.
    a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2.
    a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3.
    hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
    He said he was anti-Black and anti-Jewish. Are you calling him a liar?

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    I haven't called him anything. What are you calling him?
    When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom&Liberty View Post
    NJR never said he hated blacks.

    rac·ism
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    a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
    2.
    a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3.
    hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
    Can you please carefully read item 3.

    Thank you.

    The end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom&Liberty View Post
    I haven't called him anything. What are you calling him?
    Then why are you denying that he's anti-Black and anti-Jewish when HE SAID he is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GanjaFreebird View Post
    Then why are you denying that he's anti-Black and anti-Jewish when HE SAID he is?
    He's an apologist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    A racist, rightist sellout like yourself is not entitled to an opinion.
    That's your opinion, but not mine. I am not a racist at all, so your ignorance is sure exposed! I only sellout to those with the truth, something you wouldn't understand. Your superior, all-knowing attitude is misplaced and just plain stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm Wright View Post
    Can you please carefully read item 3.
    But that wouldn't be politically convenient!
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    That changing one, you change the other too; each different path brings other ends in view

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    This isn't politics, nimrods. Fear of blacks is not the same as hatred or racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom&Liberty View Post
    This isn't politics, nimrods. Fear of blacks is not the same as hatred or racism.

    and saying
    I'm anti-black
    isnt a fearful statement. Anti- means he has something against it and as you say, thats not the same as fear. your semantic acrobatics are a feeble argument; youre trying to sail a sinking ship.
    "...and from these walls laughter will run over the world and infect with courage the bent, laborious peon of antiquity." - 'Desolation Angels', Jack Kerouac

    "...now you're really in the total animal soup of time..." - 'Howl', Allen Ginsberg

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    Quote Originally Posted by the incredible b View Post
    and saying isnt a fearful statement. Anti- means he has something against it and as you say, thats not the same as fear. your semantic acrobatics are a feeble argument; youre trying to sail a sinking ship.
    He also said that he was almost killed by blacks, so there is a reason for him to fear. Only NJR can tell us whether that translates into hatred or racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom&Liberty View Post
    He also said that he was almost killed by blacks, so there is a reason for him to fear. Only NJR can tell us whether that translates into hatred or racism.
    being assaulted by black people is not a reason for fearing black people in general, its just an understandable cause, it remains unreasonable.
    being Anti-Black is a hateful point of view (if thats not what he meant, he's more than welcome to amend or nuance it). as item no. 3 in your lovely definition already stated, hatred of a race is racism.


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    Twice in my life I have been asked the question, "How do you feel about Blacks."

    The question is inherently racist. It presumes that somehow or the other I should feel the same about a black teacher that I do about a black thief, the same about a black doctor as about a black murderer. It is Obama's job killing policies that I do not like about the color of his skin I could care less.

    As long as leftist insist on racial gerrymandering it is they who are the racists.

    As long as leftist continue to point to race in the same way they point of fascism and/or Hitlerism every time some one disagrees with their policies it is they who are the racists and the fascisti.

    The only real difference between the policies of the modern American left and the Italian Fascist party of Mussolini is that the American left are more thorough going totalitarians than was Mussolini
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    As long as some people see social issues only as political issues, we're in for unnecessary argument.

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    Chach my boy you live in a rather strange world. Social issues are national political issues because the left insists that they be so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom&Liberty View Post
    This isn't politics, nimrods. Fear of blacks is not the same as hatred or racism.
    You admitted it was in your dictionary definition quoting post! It's racism when you bear prejudice in your mind toward a race -whether that's through fear, a sense of superiority, or any sense of difference.

    But of course, redefining racism is politically convenient for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    Twice in my life I have been asked the question, "How do you feel about Blacks."

    The question is inherently racist. It presumes that somehow or the other I should feel the same about a black teacher that I do about a black thief, the same about a black doctor as about a black murderer.
    Of course it isn't a racist question (I'd have prefered 'black people' rather than 'blacks'). Asking you whether you're prejudiced towards a race or not is just a question.

    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    As long as leftist insist on racial gerrymandering it is they who are the racists.
    What do you mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    As long as leftist continue to point to race in the same way they point of fascism and/or Hitlerism every time some one disagrees with their policies it is they who are the racists and the fascisti.
    Care to be more specific (again)?

    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    The only real difference between the policies of the modern American left and the Italian Fascist party of Mussolini is that the American left are more thorough going totalitarians than was Mussolini
    Prove it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    Twice in my life I have been asked the question, "How do you feel about Blacks."

    The question is inherently racist. It presumes that somehow or the other I should feel the same about a black teacher that I do about a black thief, the same about a black doctor as about a black murderer. It is Obama's job killing policies that I do not like about the color of his skin I could care less.
    if the question comes out of the blue, you have a point. if someone has already made a lot of statements about race in a negative way (as i suppose mr refugee has done) the question becomes legit; especially on a discussion forum.
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    A question that presupposes an answer as this one almost always does is as rarely legitimate. Neither are views that condemn a whole race because of what one moron did. And that happens all around. However Affirmative action and other liberal solutions actually serve to legitimize such views.

    Let me see the American left wishes to tell me what sort of light bulbs to use what kind of car to drive, what to eat and when to eat it, when and wehn not to exercise, who many kids I can have what size house i should live in how many hours a week I can work. Hell, compared to you boys mussolini was a damn anarchist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    A question that presupposes an answer as this one almost always does is as rarely legitimate.
    "...as rarely legitimate" as what? and also why? just saying it is not gonna cut it, im interested in the reasoning behind it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    A question that presupposes an answer as this one almost always does is as rarely legitimate.
    It's a fair enough question, in itself neutral. From your answer you showed that you don't judge people on race but on other factors, so there isn't really any problem, is there?

    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    Neither are views that condemn a whole race because of what one moron did. And that happens all around. However Affirmative action and other liberal solutions actually serve to legitimize such views.
    I assume this is because affirmative action doesn't treat people equally. I think you have a point, but you can't call AA racist or supportive of racism in any way. It's a policy that sees the economic facts as they are: black people have been held back for centuries in your country, and simply economic equality now doesn't readjust that. Black people in general are more likely to be poor, unemployed, criminals or the victims of crime, and that's a problem that won't resolve itself if we just let it be.

    To put it another way, simple equality of opportunity that you seem to favour treats black people as though they already have an 'equal' chance in life to other members of society. They don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    Let me see the American left wishes to tell me what sort of light bulbs to use what kind of car to drive, what to eat and when to eat it, when and wehn not to exercise, who many kids I can have what size house i should live in how many hours a week I can work. Hell, compared to you boys mussolini was a damn anarchist.
    So, you think it's okay to equate product regulations and labour laws with a fanciful world where you're forced into buying a particular product, have absolutely no free time/will, and have to live in a particular place. You're a sensible and well-adjusted human being.

    Quote Originally Posted by garyd View Post
    Hell, compared to you boys mussolini was a damn anarchist
    I suggest you take that back immediately and never say anything quite so malicious and idiotic ever again.
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    But that is exactly what you did though your regulations. You told me what products I have to buy and what products I can't buy.

    Why should I take back a statement that is neither untruthful nor malicious. Hitler was not Mussolini and vice versa. Fascists are not Nazis whatever stupidity the left is inclined to believe.In fact Mussolini was probably no more racist than his contemporaries at that time especially his contemporaries in power in France and Britain. He was certainly no Antisemite.
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