He didn't correct his defense team when they said they would invoke it, which technically is invoking it. It's sort of nitpicking but. . .Originally Posted by Malcolm Wright
Clean mind, clean body, take you're pick, you can't have both.
I don't agree. I'll give Z this... his first legal team went rogue. They were horrible. They were all about the publicity, including the point where he must have fired them and found better representation. He was in hiding at the time the lawyers claimed SYG so he couldn't have publicly corrected them.
He appeared on a Faux News misinformation show. He had ample opportunity then.
His attorneys may have been rogue but considering Zimmerman's actions at the time you would think maybe he was the one that went rogue. According to the attorneys they quit, he didn't fire them. Of course, where Zimmerman is concerned, who knows the truth?
Clean mind, clean body, take you're pick, you can't have both.
Who went on Faux? Don't watch it so I didn't see any Z interview if there was one. That's my point though. The original attorneys claim they quit in a very public press conference, but the fact that Z had a new (better) attorney the next day tells me that he fired them. I'm just connecting the dots.
Yeah - they've expressed the intent to invoke it, but before the trial starts nothing is certain.
Anyway, the real point is that the post Dngrmse described as claiming it was invoked actually did not such thing.
He'll disappear now, no doubt, as he usually does when his wild misinterpretations don't gain him an opportunity to be acidic and witty.
M.
I stand corrected. He had an off the record discussion with Hannity but not an on air interview, but he did set up his own website after his then attorneys and his father had set up the original website. Zimmerman had opportunity to contradict his lawyers invoking Stand Your Ground. As of yet he hasn't done that nor has his current legal team.
Clean mind, clean body, take you're pick, you can't have both.
Well its obvious that their not-guilty plea relies on self-defense. And inherent in trying to argue self-defense holds up in the scenario we have for that night, is the use of the SYG law. So its a very safe bet it will come into play.
M
9ball8 (04-25-2012)
Meh. Once SYG is shown to be a hit-man's enhancement of job conditions, it will go down in flames. By federal statute, if not individual states figuring out how badly SYG can be exploited.
Maybe it will lead to a reform of self-defense statutes, to clarify justifiable homicide/injury in public places. I'm surprised that was not the path taken, instead of inventing a whole new law.
"Stand your Ground", indeed. Whodafuk thought of that name? Some coked-out Hollywood screenwriter of shootem up adventure movies?
Malcolm Wright (04-25-2012)
I unhappily disagree with you. I think this is one area that states rights will prevail and it is unfortunate that you have far too many RWNs in places like Florida and my own state of Oklahoma who care less about the danger than about their right to wield guns. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
Clean mind, clean body, take you're pick, you can't have both.
I think 9ball8 is right - even the people who proposed the law in Florida have stated it was not intended to enhance self-defense in the way it has been used in the car radio theft stabbing case and the way the DA cited it to not press charges at first.I unhappily disagree with you. I think this is one area that states rights will prevail and it is unfortunate that you have far too many RWNs in places like Florida and my own state of Oklahoma who care less about the danger than about their right to wield guns. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
M.
Yet many others, mindlessly of course, have defended it.
Clean mind, clean body, take you're pick, you can't have both.
True. The 'touch my guns over my dead body' crowd will probably fight tooth and nail to preserve the SYG laws, not because the laws make sense, but because they tend to loose their faculties when it comes to this issue, and view any step away from legal trigger-happiness as an attack on the country's constitution, and a move to take their beloved guns away.
But I think they'll lose this one. Even the police and prosecutors are petitioning for a change.
M.
Man my state lets me down
Are you a Floridian originally? Go and slap some sense into them!Man my state lets me down
Yea dude, I currently reside here and the area in question is primarily rednecks so chances are he will shoot me too.
Malcolm Wright (04-27-2012)
Cheney did it and the guy apologized to him.
I read an interesting article today discussing that with Florida and North Carolina laws the political conventions in Tampa and Charlotte are subject to anyone with a permit to carry a concealed weapon on the convention floor. Politics and guns don't mix. It's as bad as Arizona allowing guns in bars. Guns and alcohol, what a country!
Clean mind, clean body, take you're pick, you can't have both.
National Blast Time!
Srsly, I'm really really happy I'm not that dude. I hope that girl gets well but that dude has serious issues when she does. He shot at a sound wow not cool. If I shot at a sound dad would take my rifle away and I'd get grounded forever. He needs to learn gun safety BEFORE he goes hunting.
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