Zimmerman lies on the stand

[caddis]

Actually determining age by sight is not reliable. When I was a teen the drinking age was 18. I looked much older then I was. I discovered that as long as I kept my mouth shut people couldn't tell my age and could easily mistake me for being 18 as early as 13 or 14. My daughter had the same problem where people expected more of her because she looked older then she was, that is until she opened her mouth. Once she started speaking you could tell her age.

It was dark Martin was wearing a hoodie so I doubt you can fault Zimmerman for saying I didn't know how old he was. Your argument makes it sound that he 100% knew he was 17; He didn't.I think his words are coming from hindsight being 20/20 and being remorseful.

Don't forget the fact that it was raining and, you know, they all look alike

The issue is what difference does it make how old the kid was when your head is getting smashed against the ground. 17 or 22 if you think the person attacking you is trying to kill you why is age a factor?

That's what the issue should be, but for those vested in Zimmerman's guilt, the issue is not solely about facts but character also (Except for Martin's character of course). Proof of this is provided by this thread….Zimmerman makes an error in the initial judgment of Martin’s age and it’s now considered a lie.

[Truth Teller]

Thanks Teller, but I don't really have an agenda and I'm not 'invested' in Zimmerman's guilt.

I know you're not,I'm merely pointing out to most of DA's righties their own lies,deceptions,manipulations,hypocricy and all-around dishonesty.

[Truth Teller]

"He lied. We just don't know what it is yet!!!"

How else can the contradiction be explained?

[Truth Teller]

You shouldn't post on this or any other Zimmerman thread if you have to ask that question.

Or was it just an excuse to make a backhanded racism charge.

You're the one making racial insinuations,not me.

Typical TT post...worthless

Fuck off.

[Malcolm Wright]

Keep telling yourself that so you and TT will continue to believe it...LMFAO

Why is it so important for you to believe there is emotional investment in the man's guilt?
I'm emotionally invested in justice being served. Why don't you believe me?

Your behavior is as annoying and stupid as if I claimed racism was motivating your position in this case, no matter what you had to say. You'd think I'm retarded if I were to do that, right? So how do you think you seem?

M.

[Malcolm Wright]

Actually determining age by sight is not reliable. When I was a teen the drinking age was 18. I looked much older then I was. I discovered that as long as I kept my mouth shut people couldn't tell my age and could easily mistake me for being 18 as early as 13 or 14. My daughter had the same problem where people expected more of her because she looked older then she was, that is until she opened her mouth. Once she started speaking you could tell her age.

So you think that at 13 and 14, you weren't getting carded because you looked 18?
That's not a reasonable conclusion to draw: carding is very conservative, and even if you look 25, if someone is doing their job right, they'll card you to be absolutely sure. If you were sometimes not carded at 13 or 14, its probably not because you were fooling anyone - its probably because the person didn't care.

Yes, people can look older than they are, or younger than they are - but voices and modes of expression can equally mislead in age evaluation. The way you express yourself at 14 might lead me to believe you are 18, if I haven't seen you physically.

If you are really paying attention to someone visually, you'll be fairly accurate, because visual doesn't just mean size, and facial features - it also means behavior. The way we move added to the way we look gives a rich matrix of information on how old we are.

I really don't have anything I need to demonstrate here because Zimmerman was very accurate in his age evaluation. The dispatcher asked him, and he answered 'late teens'. He doesn't um, or ah. He doesn't express any doubt. And he was right. You're trying to create more doubt than there was in Zimmerman's mind. What's the value of having recorded evidence, if you're going to ignore it and draw opposite conclusions to what Zimmerman said himself? Might as well give up on the justice system entirely if that's the way we approach it.

The issue is what difference does it make how old the kid was when your head is getting smashed against the ground. 17 or 22 if you think the person attacking you is trying to kill you why is age a factor?

Its not, and I never said it was. All I'm doing is comparing Zimmerman's confidence and correctness on Martin's age that night, and the very different statement he made in court.

Though Zimmerman seems to believe now though that it is important because he felt the need to convince people he thought Martin was older. I'll agree with you that that comes from remorse (although it doesn't justify reinventing his impressions of the night)... but also from a desire to be seen as someone who felt he was dealing with an adult rather than a 17 year old.

That's all. Pretty simple.

M.

[hadit]

I know you're not,I'm merely pointing out to most of DA's righties their own lies,deceptions,manipulations,hypocricy and all-around dishonesty.

Don't forget code words. They all speak in code, so even if they say something completely benign, you know what they're REALLY saying.

[antiquity]

I come to the conclusion that Zimmerman is one lying mother fucker and guilty of murder and we really don't need a trail, because Malcolm and TT says so.

[Chachma v'Oz]

I sure hope that's an example of code because it sure isn't worth anything at face value.

[hadit]

I sure hope that's an example of code because it sure isn't worth anything at face value.

We'd better ask TT. He's the grandmaster when it comes to sniffing out code words. Why, he can imagine them where no one else in their right mind would EVER think to look for them.

[Truth Teller]

I come to the conclusion that Zimmerman is one lying mother fucker and guilty of murder and we really don't need a trail, because Malcolm and TT says so.

Dumbass.

[antiquity]

Thanks for your input.

[Malcolm Wright]

I come to the conclusion that Zimmerman is one lying mother fucker and guilty of murder and we really don't need a trail, because Malcolm and TT says so.

Where did we say there's no need for a trial? Where did we use the words 'mother fucker'?
You just can't help yourself can you? Twist, distort, rinse repeat. I hate to think what its like to be in your head.

M.

[caddis]

You're the one making racial insinuations,not me.





Fuck off.

Gee, although your posts have been fairly brief, in the two that pertain to this side discussion, you have managed to insinuate racism, show that you aren't knowledgeable to the facts surrounding this case, lie, and drop the F-bomb on a member.

Thanks for proving my point TT, your posts are worthless The only thing you missed was a pointless youtube link to a music video

[caddis]

Why is it so important for you to believe there is emotional investment in the man's guilt?
I'm emotionally invested in justice being served. Why don't you believe me?

Your behavior is as annoying and stupid as if I claimed racism was motivating your position in this case, no matter what you had to say. You'd think I'm retarded if I were to do that, right? So how do you think you seem?

M.

I'll tell you what is annoying and stupid, Malcolm, and while I am at it, disingenuous on your part, when you change the argument to cover your ass.

You have a vested interest in this case...everyone with a pennies worth of sense (except TT) knows this. I don't believe I, nor anyone else, has made the claim you are emotionally invested in this case

[antiquity]

Where did we say there's no need for a trial? Where did we use the words 'mother fucker'?
You just can't help yourself can you? Twist, distort, rinse repeat. I hate to think what its like to be in your head.

M.

[Malcolm Wright]

Click.

[Malcolm Wright]

I'll tell you what is annoying and stupid, Malcolm, and while I am at it, disingenuous on your part, when you change the argument to cover your ass.

You have a vested interest in this case...everyone with a pennies worth of sense (except TT) knows this. I don't believe I, nor anyone else, has made the claim you are emotionally invested in this case

Caddis - maybe you should read the posts before responding to them.
You said:

"Keep telling yourself that so you and TT will continue to believe it...LMFAO"

You said that in response to the following:

Thanks Teller, but I don't really have an agenda and I'm not 'invested' in Zimmerman's guilt.
I'd rather his self defense claim be genuine - I just really don't believe it is.

Why express that I and Teller are deluding ourselves about me not having an investment in Zimmerman's guilt, if you yourself don't believe that I actually do?

I can't be held responsible for you posting things you don't mean. I'm not forcing you to choose the words you choose. If you made a mistake and didn't mean to imply I'm invested in Zimmerman's guilt, go ahead and say so.

M.

[DngrMse]

Caddis - maybe you should read the posts before responding to them.
You said:



You said that in response to the following:



Why express that I and Teller are deluding ourselves about me not having an investment in Zimmerman's guilt, if you yourself don't believe that I actually do?

I can't be held responsible for you posting things you don't mean. I'm not forcing you to choose the words you choose. If you made a mistake and didn't mean to imply I'm invested in Zimmerman's guilt, go ahead and say so.

M.

Didn't you claim in another thread that Z was out cruising for blacks?

[Malcolm Wright]

Didn't you claim in another thread that Z was out cruising for blacks?

No - that would be your propensity to fabricate what people say instead of genuinely trying to listen.
Once again, you are invited to provide a quote and link. Once again you will fail.

Don't you think it would be more interesting for everyone, perhaps even you included, if you debated what people actually are saying, rather than what you seem to want them to be saying?

M.