Should Anyone Get Fired Simply For Hiring A Prostitute?

[Truth Teller]

Yes,no ,or maybe.

[Malcolm Wright]

Yes,no ,or maybe.

It might depend on what their job is? Just saying that off the top of my head.
But otherwise, 'no'.

M

PS But his wife should have the right to castrate him.
(I had to add this or things would have gone badly for me).

[Lulu]

If you are stupid enough to get caught, you should probably be fired because you are a dumbass and therefore a liability. The Secret Service agents? Hell yes, they should be fired. They are traveling on taxpayer money, they are on the job 24/7 while they are there and they showed amazing recklessness and irresponsibility so yes they should be fired. At my company we have 3-4 day sales meetings. I heard of one guy that got fired at a meeting because he had an escort come to his room (he was married of course). He was on the company dime, so yep fired on the spot (the next day when management found out about it).

Soliciting a hooker is illegal everywhere except Vegas, right? Well, I'm just talking in the US. So one has also committed a crime. I'm not someone who thinks prostitution should be legalized. Who goes to hookers but married men and complete losers who have no game. They should be shunned by society... we shouldn't make it easier for them to find hookers.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Soliciting a hooker is illegal everywhere except Vegas, right? Well, I'm just talking in the US.

Both street-walking and solitication is illegal in all of Nevada. Brothels are legal in most counties (their option) , but specifically not Clark Co. (Las Vegas) nor Washoe Co. (Reno) by state law.

So all prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas but there are brothels handy just over the county line.

[Lulu]

Ok. I was thinking of the Bunny Ranch or whatever that place is called. I guess if some guy was on a personal vacation and went to the Bunny Ranch, he shouldn't be fired because he hasn't done anything illegal. Immoral, sure but not illegal. But if someone is in any way on company time, fired is appropriate action imo.

[DngrMse]

Yes,no ,or maybe.

In most cases, no.

But the SS has some rather important business to attend to, and this was a clear breach of rather obvious, and documented procedures. They should be fired. Next time, spank a nut off the hotel balcony, and leave the whores alone.

[302Riz]

Its a veiled question. If you say, yes, they should be arrested, TT will accuse that you hate Obama and will call you a racist.

ITS A TRAP!

[Chachma v'Oz]

Ok. I was thinking of the Bunny Ranch or whatever that place is called. I guess if some guy was on a personal vacation and went to the Bunny Ranch, he shouldn't be fired because he hasn't done anything illegal. Immoral, sure but not illegal. But if someone is in any way on company time, fired is appropriate action imo.

The Moonlite Bunny Ranch is in Lyon Co., just outside the state capitol of Carson City.

[Chachma v'Oz]

In most cases, no.

But the SS has some rather important business to attend to, and this was a clear breach of rather obvious, and documented procedures. They should be fired. Next time, spank a nut off the hotel balcony, and leave the whores alone.

I agree that they should be terminated for this breach. They are on duty, not at a convention or on vacation. Their behavior was inappropriate under these circumstances.

[DngrMse]

I agree that they should be terminated for this breach. They are on duty, not at a convention or on vacation. Their behavior was inappropriate under these circumstances.

Not just inappropriate. Their behavior could have put the life of Obismal at risk. That's inexcusable. This is a black eye the SS won't recover from for years.

[Chachma v'Oz]

I'm not suggesting that anyone who participated was derelict. Nothing I've heard suggests that the president wasn't under constant protection. As far as I know, the ones involved were utilizing their free time while on this assignment. Their choice of entertainment while on this assignment was inappropriate, so much so that it was terminable poor judgment, in my opinion. There is a certain level of conduct expected when accompanying the President of the United States, whether here or abroad, and this behavior was a serious breach of conduct protocol.

[queenlillian1962]

Yes,no ,or maybe.

If your on the job like the SS guys, yes. These guys are supposed to be protecting the President, public image is everything and part of their job. They were down there on the taxpayers dime. You want a whore, wait until you get home.

[Malcolm Wright]

If you are stupid enough to get caught, you should probably be fired because you are a dumbass and therefore a liability. The Secret Service agents? Hell yes, they should be fired. They are traveling on taxpayer money, they are on the job 24/7 while they are there and they showed amazing recklessness and irresponsibility so yes they should be fired. At my company we have 3-4 day sales meetings. I heard of one guy that got fired at a meeting because he had an escort come to his room (he was married of course). He was on the company dime, so yep fired on the spot (the next day when management found out about it).

Soliciting a hooker is illegal everywhere except Vegas, right? Well, I'm just talking in the US. So one has also committed a crime. I'm not someone who thinks prostitution should be legalized. Who goes to hookers but married men and complete losers who have no game. They should be shunned by society... we shouldn't make it easier for them to find hookers.

I'm surprised by your stance. Criminalizing prostitution doesn't make it go away. Its impossible to make it go away, if the entire length of human history is anything to go by.

At the core, the question is one of freedom to do what we see fit with our bodies. A woman makes a choice - in most cases ill-advised - to sell sexual favors. She'll do it whether its legal or not.

I've never been with a hooker, but I live in a country where prostitution is legal (New Zealand), and it makes conditions safer for the prostitutes. They claim they now feel they have greater rights, are more able to choose the clients they accept, and the transparency has helped uncover human-trafficking rings.

I'm shocked that you should feel that adulterous men and complete losers who have no game should be shunned from society. There's a fascist esthetic at play here that I never expected to hear from you. Amongst those so-called complete losers are mentally challenged men, crippled men - who have no game, yes... because it would be virtually impossible for them to find someone to love them physically. The only physical love they get is from prostitutes who in this instance, fulfill a very compassionate role. As for the married men: sure, what they are doing is wrong - but shun them from society for it? That sounds like the values of Victorian high society, not those of the 21st century. There is a reason tribes shunned only dangerous offenders, such as child molesters and rapists. If you shun lesser offenders, pretty soon the group shunned is larger than the remaining tribe!

But there is another category of clients. Some of my friends in France, a nation with less hang ups I might add, occasionally partied with prostitutes - not because they had no game, and not because they had wives to cheat on. They were single, simply having a good time celebrating, met some attractive women who happened to be prostitutes, felt the natural attraction humans feel for each other... and saw no reason to not have a good time. You would shun these people from society? Really?

M.

[Chachma v'Oz]

I don't see this incident as about prostitution. It's about proper comportment and these guys didn't maintain that, to the embarrassment of the country and the Office of the President of the United States. It would be no different, to me, if they'd done an "Agents Gone Wild" video drinking and gambling in Las Vegas; it simply was a major flaw in judgment on their part and that is irreconcilable with their training and sworn duties.

Voluntarily or otherwise, every one of them involved has to go.

[Malcolm Wright]

I don't see this incident as about prostitution. It's about proper comportment and these guys didn't maintain that, to the embarrassment of the country and the Office of the President of the United States. It would be no different, to me, if they'd done an "Agents Gone Wild" video drinking and gambling in Las Vegas; it simply was a major flaw in judgment on their part and that is irreconcilable with their training and sworn duties.

Voluntarily or otherwise, every one of them involved has to go.

I agree. I was reacting to Lulu's desire for society to shun the adulterers and losers who see prostitutes.

M

[NJ Refugee]

Should someone who breaks the law be fired ?

Potentially, yes for most people.

Definitely yes, if that person is supposed to present an image of moral authority (religious figure, for example), civic authority (political office, for example) or legal authority (law enforcement or judge, for example).

[Chachma v'Oz]

I wanted to keep the thread focused on the issue vice going off onto a tangent. This may be the beginning of a serious exposé of scandalous activity within the Secret Service over an extended period of time. There seem to be new developments daily as the SS reveals more of its internal investigation.

[Malcolm Wright]

I wanted to keep the thread focused on the issue vice going off onto a tangent. This may be the beginning of a serious exposé of scandalous activity within the Secret Service over an extended period of time. There seem to be new developments daily as the SS reveals more of its internal investigation.

The thread's OP is not specifically about the Secret Service, and the 'tangent' Lulu and I are exploring pertains directly to the OP. Punishment for seeing a prostitute... firing, other forms of shunning...

Lets let conversation flow?

M.

[Chachma v'Oz]

You're right. I had narrowed my focus to the event that spawned the OP. It's not what the thread is about.

What people do on their own time that doesn't hurt others is no concern of mine. And to address whether any of the participants are hurt by the practice, I'll note that most of the prostitutes who work in Nevada, legally or not, come here from out of state specifically for that purpose, so they know exactly what they're doing. There may be some societal victims among them, but that isn't the norm.

[Lulu]

I agree. I was reacting to Lulu's desire for society to shun the adulterers and losers who see prostitutes.

M

I was half joking (but half serious) when I used the word shun, but I don't think my opinion should be surprising. I'm fairly open to a lot of things - but prostitution isn't one of them. I understand the rationale for legalizing it, and I also realize it's the world's oldest profession and it isn't going away. But I don't think our govt. should tacitly approve it (which legalizing does). Other countries have different value systems, beliefs, traditions so maybe prostitution makes sense in their countries. The French also think it's perfectly acceptable to have mistresses.

Also you have a male perspective. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that females are far less tolerant and more judgmental of prostitution for obvious reasons. No woman wants to think her man has ever been to, will go to, or can go to a hooker. With some of the US puritan values, legalizing prostitution here would never fly - and some of the puritan values are not all bad. Personally I find prostitution is immoral and seedy - so I don't think it should be made easy and accessible.

There are a lot of lesser offenses that people can and do get fired over... ie. racy pictures on facebook, saying something stupid or off color, tardiness, honest mistakes in their work, etc. so getting fired for going to a hooker seems reasonable to me in most cases.