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    National Review Writer Under Fire for Racial Column

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/stay...racial-column/

    National Review writer John Derbyshire is under fire for a column essentially urging white parents to talk to their children about staying away from black people they don’t know.
    (10a) Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally.

    (10b) Stay out of heavily black neighborhoods.

    (10c) If planning a trip to a beach or amusement park at some date, find out whether it is likely to be swamped with blacks on that date (neglect of that one got me the closest I have ever gotten to death by gunshot).

    (10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

    (10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

    (10f) Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.

    (10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

    (10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

    (10i) If accosted by a strange black in the street, smile and say something polite but keep moving.
    Blaze defends these statements as common sense. What do you think?

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    Holy shit. Klan revival up in the NRO?

    What the fuck is going on lately? Seriously, I know a lot of white people, and most of them aren't terrified of blacks. I mean, maybe a little subtle prejudice shows from time to time, but not really overt ethnic separatism stuff, but there's an explosion of it this year. I've been fairly convinced that overt racism was largely faded from memory in the US. Is it just my environment? Or am I just blind to it? Is this what all the rage against Obama is about, after all this time?
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    See, this is the kind of shit that leads to dead kids. The more people are afraid of each other, the more likely someone is to get shot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BooRadley View Post
    Holy shit. Klan revival up in the NRO?

    What the fuck is going on lately? Seriously, I know a lot of white people, and most of them aren't terrified of blacks. I mean, maybe a little subtle prejudice shows from time to time, but not really overt ethnic separatism stuff, but there's an explosion of it this year. I've been fairly convinced that overt racism was largely faded from memory in the US. Is it just my environment? Or am I just blind to it? Is this what all the rage against Obama is about, after all this time?
    If anything I would say that this is a backlash at all the race hustlers (including Obama) always picking at the scabs and keeping people separate and divided. I have to say though that my personal interactions are along the same lines as yours. I don't know anyone who is afraid of black people.


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    Why was there emphasis to the fact he writes for the National Review, yet the article did not appear in the National Review?

    Why did you not link to the actual article?

    Why wasn't this pointed out? (from the article you cited):

    “The Talk: Nonblack Version” is a breakdown of the lessons Derbyshire says he’s taught his children about race, similar to “the talk” or “the code” many black parents have spoken of having with their children in the wake of Trayvon Martin’s death.

    You begin at 10a instead of 10, yet the key to what was listed in your article was set up in 8, 9, and 10

    I think, taken in context, the article he wrote makes a lot more sense then what you are leading us to believe


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    Boo posted as I was writing my post...I see he was duped


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    Quote Originally Posted by jwreck View Post
    See, this is the kind of shit that leads to dead kids. The more people are afraid of each other, the more likely someone is to get shot.
    That is EXACTLY what I thought when I read the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm Wright View Post
    What do you think?
    First of all, "African American" is the PC term!

    And (10j) Never go to a McD's even if it is in a safe area!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caddis View Post
    Why was there emphasis to the fact he writes for the National Review, yet the article did not appear in the National Review?

    Why did you not link to the actual article?

    Why wasn't this pointed out? (from the article you cited):

    “The Talk: Nonblack Version” is a breakdown of the lessons Derbyshire says he’s taught his children about race, similar to “the talk” or “the code” many black parents have spoken of having with their children in the wake of Trayvon Martin’s death.

    You begin at 10a instead of 10, yet the key to what was listed in your article was set up in 8, 9, and 10

    I think, taken in context, the article he wrote makes a lot more sense then what you are leading us to believe
    I found this article, not the original one. I'm happy for you to contribute it: it would be a valuable addition to the discussion.
    The quote I pasted was pasted in a hurry. If I missed important points, I did provide a link to the full article so people were able to access the full text - as I see you did - excellent.

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    I think it's common sense to teach children to stay away from people they don't know, no matter what their color. I've attended all black churches and never felt safer, but there are situations that I wouldn't put myself in simply because I didn't know the character of the people, regardless of race. I would feel equally unsafe amidst a flock of unknown whites, as I would blacks.
    When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm Wright View Post
    That is EXACTLY what I thought when I read the article.

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    did you read these articles which prompted the one you posted?

    http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/03...ear-after.html
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ap-w...ack-male-code/


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    Quote Originally Posted by jwreck View Post
    If anything I would say that this is a backlash at all the race hustlers (including Obama) always picking at the scabs and keeping people separate and divided. I have to say though that my personal interactions are along the same lines as yours. I don't know anyone who is afraid of black people.
    Most people are cocooned to a certain degree - it is easy to forget what the millions of uneducated, ignorant and fearful people are really like. I guess we're going through one of those periodic rude awakenings.

    The election year before Obama's first term was like that.

    I disagree with your take on picking at the scabs and keeping people divided. But our disagreement is on a philosophical level I think, not a political one. It is like the difference between those who see value in therapy to deal with old wounds which still harm their present day lives, and those who would rather live with their handicap and not face the demons.

    Obama cannot realistically be described as 'always picking at the scabs and keeping people separate and divided'. That paints a truly exaggerated and biased picture of someone race-obsessed and segregationist, which I think you know is horseshit

    My take on Obama is that he is an American, but he is also an African American. We knew this. He never hid it. If you're shocked, perhaps you shouldn't be. Every president brings his world experience to the job, his personality.

    I quite like it about him that he relates candidly to people, on a personal level. When he said that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin, I thought: 'that is real'. It was a powerful statement about stereotyping. The only way you can construe it as divisive is if you feel we need to pretend we all look the same.

    Talking about race when racism is harming us is being real, not divisive. It is the racism that is divisive. Paying therapeutic attention to it is the way to bridge the divide. Taking the Zimmerman/Martin case as an example again: a thorough investigation into what allowed such a vivid example of the divisions that exist between our communities is the best way to understand in what ways those divisions are greater than they need to be, and the best way from preventing another tragedy. It is the death of Martin, and the way the media has dealt with the case, along with some race hustlers (the president is not among them) that have increased the division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm Wright View Post
    I found this article, not the original one. I'm happy for you to contribute it: it would be a valuable addition to the discussion.
    The quote I pasted was pasted in a hurry. If I missed important points, I did provide a link to the full article so people were able to access the full text - as I see you did - excellent.

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    There is much talk about “the talk.”

    “Sean O’Reilly was 16 when his mother gave him the talk that most black parents give their teenage sons,” Denisa R. Superville of the Hackensack (NJ) Record tells us. Meanwhile, down in Atlanta: “Her sons were 12 and 8 when Marlyn Tillman realized it was time for her to have the talk,” Gracie Bonds Staples writes in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

    Leonard Greene talks about the talk in the New York Post. Someone bylined as KJ Dell’Antonia talks about the talk in The New York Times. Darryl Owens talks about the talk in the Orlando Sentinel.

    Yes, talk about the talk is all over.

    There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too. My own kids, now 19 and 16, have had it in bits and pieces as subtopics have arisen. If I were to assemble it into a single talk, it would look something like the following.

    * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    (1) Among your fellow citizens are forty million who identify as black, and whom I shall refer to as black. The cumbersome (and MLK-noncompliant) term “African-American” seems to be in decline, thank goodness. “Colored” and “Negro” are archaisms. What you must call “the ‘N’ word” is used freely among blacks but is taboo to nonblacks.

    “There is a talk that nonblack Americans have with their kids, too.”

    (2) American blacks are descended from West African populations, with some white and aboriginal-American admixture. The overall average of non-African admixture is 20-25 percent. The admixture distribution is nonlinear, though: “It seems that around 10 percent of the African American population is more than half European in ancestry.” (Same link.)

    (3) Your own ancestry is mixed north-European and northeast-Asian, but blacks will take you to be white.

    (4) The default principle in everyday personal encounters is, that as a fellow citizen, with the same rights and obligations as yourself, any individual black is entitled to the same courtesies you would extend to a nonblack citizen. That is basic good manners and good citizenship. In some unusual circumstances, however—e.g., paragraph (10h) below—this default principle should be overridden by considerations of personal safety.

    (5) As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths. In a population of forty million, you will find almost any human type. Only at the far, far extremes of certain traits are there absences. There are, for example, no black Fields Medal winners. While this is civilizationally consequential, it will not likely ever be important to you personally. Most people live and die without ever meeting (or wishing to meet) a Fields Medal winner.

    (6) As you go through life, however, you will experience an ever larger number of encounters with black Americans. Assuming your encounters are random—for example, not restricted only to black convicted murderers or to black investment bankers—the Law of Large Numbers will inevitably kick in. You will observe that the means—the averages—of many traits are very different for black and white Americans, as has been confirmed by methodical inquiries in the human sciences.

    (7) Of most importance to your personal safety are the very different means for antisocial behavior, which you will see reflected in, for instance, school disciplinary measures, political corruption, and criminal convictions.



    (8) These differences are magnified by the hostility many blacks feel toward whites. Thus, while black-on-black behavior is more antisocial in the average than is white-on-white behavior, average black-on-white behavior is a degree more antisocial yet.

    (9) A small cohort of blacks—in my experience, around five percent—is ferociously hostile to whites and will go to great lengths to inconvenience or harm us. A much larger cohort of blacks—around half—will go along passively if the five percent take leadership in some event. They will do this out of racial solidarity, the natural willingness of most human beings to be led, and a vague feeling that whites have it coming.

    (10) Thus, while always attentive to the particular qualities of individuals, on the many occasions where you have nothing to guide you but knowledge of those mean differences, use statistical common sense:


    (10a through 10i were posted)
    To be honest, I thought the portion not posted was more offensive:

    (11) The mean intelligence of blacks is much lower than for whites. The least intelligent ten percent of whites have IQs below 81; forty percent of blacks have IQs that low. Only one black in six is more intelligent than the average white; five whites out of six are more intelligent than the average black. These differences show in every test of general cognitive ability that anyone, of any race or nationality, has yet been able to devise. They are reflected in countless everyday situations. “Life is an IQ test.”

    (12) There is a magnifying effect here, too, caused by affirmative action. In a pure meritocracy there would be very low proportions of blacks in cognitively demanding jobs. Because of affirmative action, the proportions are higher. In government work, they are very high. Thus, in those encounters with strangers that involve cognitive engagement, ceteris paribus the black stranger will be less intelligent than the white. In such encounters, therefore—for example, at a government office—you will, on average, be dealt with more competently by a white than by a black. If that hostility-based magnifying effect (paragraph 8) is also in play, you will be dealt with more politely, too. “The DMV lady“ is a statistical truth, not a myth.

    (13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

    (14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

    (15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).

    * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    You don’t have to follow my version of the talk point for point; but if you are white or Asian and have kids, you owe it to them to give them some version of the talk. It will save them a lot of time and trouble spent figuring things out for themselves. It may save their lives.
    http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_...#disqus_thread


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    Quote Originally Posted by caddis View Post
    No - I was in a bit of a hurry. Thanks for posting them - I'll read them soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom&Liberty View Post
    I think it's common sense to teach children to stay away from people they don't know, no matter what their color. I've attended all black churches and never felt safer, but there are situations that I wouldn't put myself in simply because I didn't know the character of the people, regardless of race. I would feel equally unsafe amidst a flock of unknown whites, as I would blacks.
    I think that's the bottom line here FL, and I'm presently surprised you homed in on it on the very first page.
    Made my day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm Wright View Post
    Most people are cocooned to a certain degree - it is easy to forget what the millions of uneducated, ignorant and fearful people are really like. I guess we're going through one of those periodic rude awakenings.
    Perhaps.
    I disagree with your take on picking at the scabs and keeping people divided. But our disagreement is on a philosophical level I think, not a political one. It is like the difference between those who see value in therapy to deal with old wounds which still harm their present day lives, and those who would rather live with their handicap and not face the demons.

    Obama cannot realistically be described as 'always picking at the scabs and keeping people separate and divided'. That paints a truly exaggerated and biased picture of someone race-obsessed and segregationist, which I think you know is horseshit
    Obama picks the scabs to win votes. If blacks have something to think about besides playing the victim and hating whitey, the might notice the abysmal unemployment rate and such thinks and not vote for Obama.
    My take on Obama is that he is an American, but he is also an African American. We knew this. He never hid it. If you're shocked, perhaps you shouldn't be. Every president brings his world experience to the job, his personality.

    I quite like it about him that he relates candidly to people, on a personal level. When he said that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin, I thought: 'that is real'. It was a powerful statement about stereotyping. The only way you can construe it as divisive is if you feel we need to pretend we all look the same.
    When I heard that I though, "there he goes mouthing off half-cocked again."
    Talking about race when racism is harming us is being real, not divisive. It is the racism that is divisive. Paying therapeutic attention to it is the way to bridge the divide. Taking the Zimmerman/Martin case as an example again: a thorough investigation into what allowed such a vivid example of the divisions that exist between our communities is the best way to understand in what ways those divisions are greater than they need to be, and the best way from preventing another tragedy. It is the death of Martin, and the way the media has dealt with the case, along with some race hustlers (the president is not among them) that have increased the division.

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    Sure racism keeps us divided. So does political correctness. True communication and an honest effort at healing is what will end divisiveness. There's very VERY little of that out there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by caddis View Post
    Why was there emphasis to the fact he writes for the National Review, yet the article did not appear in the National Review?

    Why did you not link to the actual article?

    Why wasn't this pointed out? (from the article you cited):

    “The Talk: Nonblack Version” is a breakdown of the lessons Derbyshire says he’s taught his children about race, similar to “the talk” or “the code” many black parents have spoken of having with their children in the wake of Trayvon Martin’s death.

    You begin at 10a instead of 10, yet the key to what was listed in your article was set up in 8, 9, and 10

    I think, taken in context, the article he wrote makes a lot more sense then what you are leading us to believe
    http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_...#disqus_thread

    Yeah, in the actual article he also goes on to say that half of blacks would go along with some lynchings and that blacks are stupid. Shame that wasn't included.

    The fact that he writes for the NRO is just . . . well, typical.
    "All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell [the bible] teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society." Rep. Paul Broun (R)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BooRadley View Post
    The fact that he writes for the NRO is just . . . well, typical.
    Is it typical? Can you cite some more” typical” articles from other “typical” NRO authors? (pssst…I’d prefer stuff that NRO actual published but we haven’t started at that point so I doubt we’ll finish there)

    Note: This is my second request for you to back such a statement...you ignored the first one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BooRadley View Post
    Yeah, in the actual article he also goes on to say that half of blacks would go along with some lynchings...
    BTW: Aren't you the same person that recently said: "Every kid considers going along with the crowd, no matter what kind of stupid shit the crowd is doing. "


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    To be fair to the NRO, even they saw the problem with this http://news.yahoo.com/national-revie...023606054.html

    The National Review has fired columnist John Derbyshire over a web posting in which he wrote that black people are hostile to whites and that white people should stay out of black neighborhoods and away from black crowds.

    The magazine on Saturday night disavowed Derbyshire's "nasty and indefensible" posting
    "All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell [the bible] teaches us how to run all our public policy and everything in society." Rep. Paul Broun (R)

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