This depends entirely on who you decide he is referring to when he talks of those who created the mess. Of course, since yo've decided against all reason that he's talking about all conservatives, you're going to feel this way.
Since when has a politician blamed the acts of a previous administration on the voters? What is the likelihood that that is what he was saying? Does it make political sense to do something like that? Obama wants the voters - a lot of the people who voted for Bush turned around voted for him and helped him become president. Does it make ANY sense for him to refer to them as the problem, rather than the administration that preceded him? What makes more sense? That is what should be guiding how you interpreted his words... Sure you can have some doubts if you want, but to decide that he was talking about the voters to the exclusion of the more rational interpretation simply and efficiently shows your bias and your need to twist his statements to fit something you can attack and call divisive.
Besides, when he says he wants to listen to other people's ideas, not only is there no contradiction - since constructive ideas for moving forward are not the same as standing in the way of cleaning up the mess: it also makes it clear that he's talking about representatives, and not the voters. It is representatives that propose legislation and initiatives, not voters.
Fail, Lily. That video utterly fails to support your The Great Divider meme. Its just a catchy title, Like 86 said - and you made the mistake of trying to make it something more than that.
Do you think that by saying 'whether that's true or not', you can sweep aside my argument? That's dodging. Is it true or is it not true.
Just answer the simple question: do you expect Obama to run an election campaign by saying "the other guys are good, we're good, take your pick, its all good, we're all united"? Do you expect him to say "the other group left the economy in the worst mess its been in 80 years but out of a spirit of unity, because I said I wish to unite us, I propose that you vote for them anyway or at least ignore the mess they left us with, because if I asked you to consider not trusting them after their dismal efforts, I would be called The Great Divider by the good people of the internets"?
Just answer that before we go any further on this point. I mean really - you need to learn when to give up on a losing point. If a leader on the one hand takes the high road more than his opponents and seeks collaboration while in office, and on the other hand leads a normal competitive campaign showing the opponent's faults when its election time - you're going to call him The Great Divider? Not just divisive, but the Great Divider? Do you know the difference between winning an election, which is a battle, and running the country, which is a collaborative job? Can you show you know the difference by making a distinction between the two here?
I'm going to make the safe bet that 95% of birthers are obsessed with this issue because they dislike Obama, distrust him for other reasons than the question of where he was born, and are focusing on this issue as a means of trying to get him out of office. And with 95%, I'm being generous. Its probably closer to 99.999%. But since such estimates are very difficult to back up, lets just go by people on this board, whose motives are very clear because we all run our mouths about them all the time. On this board, you, Soylent Green, Caddis, Hadit, Big Steve, 86, Freedom and Liberty - and if I miss someone's name forgive me, consider all of you who harp about the birth certificate to be included - use this as a political attack against Obama. None of you are simply interested in the truth. You all have major axes to grind with Obama. So where are the many people here on DA who merely want the truth?
A birth certificate has been presented, yes? So now the onus is on someone to prove it is fake. For some positive evidence to be provided that it does not reflect the reality of Obama's birth. Shouldn't be too hard to come by right?
Here's a link to the letter from the Hawai'i Stade Department of Health. Please read it and then explain to me why the ball is not in the birther's camp. In the face of Obama's humoring the obsession of birthers, and their continuing paranoia without evidence, is it really so strange that people have taken to mocking them? I mean we have fun with people who wear tin foil hats to prevent the mind control rays all the time, without being accused as intimidating, marginalizing etc... people who simply want to live free from mind control, right? Its on you to provide evidence - Obama and the state of Hawai'i have delivered what was clamored for.
Well I've been abundantly clear at what I do see: bogus attempts to portray Obama as not only divisive, but as The Great Divider.
Nobody that I know of is pretending Obama is a Great Uniter. The common perception, which is based in reality, is that he has taken the high road in political skirmishes far more often than his opponents. Mid term, his own voters got upset with him because he was seen as turning the other cheek too much, and not trading punches with people who were viciously trying to shred him. I suppose you'll deny this somehow... But the person making a Great title here is you, not me. And you have utterly failed to justify it. I'll keep an open mind. You might be able to dig something else up that shows Obama is deserving of the title, but so far... zip.