Voice analysis seems to exclude Zimmerman as the voice crying for help

[Malcolm Wright]

Too late for me to update it - not sure why the article came down.
However given the info provided in the OP, it would take you all of 5 seconds to do a search come up with several articles on the matter...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1394224.html

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[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

* pats Farnsworth on the head *

Thanks!

My brother was in town to teach a seminar; he's in Admin and does a lot of profiling and intel work, and got to talking about psychology testing batteries, etc., and it came up. Sorry all the people you know are credulous morons, but it may only be partly your fault, in any case.

[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

Yes, that Huffington Post is a real objective source. Do that still have that picture of 12 year old Martin up?

Tabloids will pay people to say anything just to get a story. There are no real journalists any more; universities quit producing them decades ago.

[Malcolm Wright]

Thanks!

My brother was in town to teach a seminar; he's in Admin and does a lot of profiling and intel work, and got to talking about psychology testing batteries, etc., and it came up. Sorry all the people you know are credulous morons, but it may only be partly your fault, in any case.

Ah so the 'someone' you spoke to yesterday is now your brother? And he's in Admin (love the capital A by the way), does a lot of profiling and intel work, and is also an expert in voice analysis? I'm curious, does he fly space shuttles and specialize in deep sea exploration too? He sounds like a mighty handy fellow. I might want to ask him advice on architectural design and artificial intelligence...

The one thing that makes me believe you might be telling the truth is that you didn't claim to be an expert in voice analysis yourself...

M

[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

I already mentioned him; he's an ATO. Live with it. IF you don't like it snivel to a mod or something.

Tell us more about your Big Adventure on the USS Nitwitz and the whales. Was there any grant money left after buying weed, Cheetos, and Boones Farm for laundry soap, or satelliteTV?

[Lulu]

dammit so I'm slightly curious... what is ATO. I googled and I'm assuming you mean Anti Terrorism Officer? I guess that would explain some of the hysterical paranoia that runs rampant on the Farnsworth family tree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATO

I have friends in the FBI and in forensics. I'll see what their take is on this case and get back to you.

[Malcolm Wright]

Hello Farnsworth,

I hope you're seeing your brother again soon.
Because maybe you can ask him what he makes of the following:

The technology Owen used to analyze the Zimmerman tape has a wide range of applications, including national security and international policing, he said. A recently as January, Owen used the same technology to identify accused murderer Sheila Davalloo in a 911 call made almost a decade ago.

Owen testified that it was Davalloo, accused of stabbing another woman nine times in a condo in Shippan, Conn., who reported the killing to police from a pay phone in November 2002.

Davalloo was convicted, according to news reports.

Owen says the audio from Zimmerman's call is much better quality than the 911 call in the Davalloo case. Voice identification experts judge the quality based on a signal-to-noise ratio; in other words, comparing the usable audio in a clip to the environmental noises that make a match difficult.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ific-certainty

I mean with all due respect to your brother's alleged multidisciplinary expertise, we have a real, established expert who uses these techniques routinely and bases his court hearing contributions on them, contrary to your 'brother's' claim that such analysis does not hold up in court. And he's telling us that the audio of the 911 call in Zimmerman's case is "much better quality" than the audio he successfully used for analysis in a previous court case.

I'll take this real, practicing expert over your potentially fictitious (or at least exaggerated) one... any day. If he really knew anything about voice analysis, he wouldn't have told you it doesn't hold up in court...

M

[9ball8]

This thread is a good opportunity to play prosecutor or defense. That's all we're doing, Farns.
The voice analysis doesn't go well for George, especially if medical experts confirm that the gunshot wound would have immediatelty made such cries for help unlikely. In short, if the voice was Martin's, was he shouting for help before or after he was shot?

I'd like the FL Wild West law to go on trial, along with the Sanford PD as well. The objective is to enforce homicide laws, protect those who truly act in self defense, and hold all police depts. to a basic standard of proper enforcement. I would think, barring eyewitnesses, film or other hard evidence that clearly points to self-defense, that police would arrest any person who kills another via use of weaponry. That should even include a person who has been assaulted. The arrest procedure -combined with proper crime scene process- allows for controlled collection of physical and interview evidence. The police and DA can drop or press charges, depending on what they find. Deciding to do so within a few short hours of the homicide clearly indicates sloppy police and prosecution operations, at the very least.

[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

dammit so I'm slightly curious... what is ATO. I googled and I'm assuming you mean Anti Terrorism Officer? I guess that would explain some of the hysterical paranoia that runs rampant on the Farnsworth family tree.

You had to Google it, with all your vast expertise on this topic??? ...

I have friends in the FBI and in forensics. I'll see what their take is on this case and get back to you.

Well, I'm sure the janitors and gardeners at the FBI will give you real insights, but why bother, when you have some article in the Huffington Post? You know, the 'crack journalist news site' that couldn't find a current picture of The Angel Martin, just a pic of him at age 12?

[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

Hello Farnsworth,

I hope you're seeing your brother again soon.
Because maybe you can ask him what he makes of the following:



http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ific-certainty

I mean with all due respect to your brother's alleged multidisciplinary expertise, we have a real, established expert who uses these techniques routinely and bases his court hearing contributions on them, contrary to your 'brother's' claim that such analysis does not hold up in court. And he's telling us that the audio of the 911 call in Zimmerman's case is "much better quality" than the audio he successfully used for analysis in a previous court case.

you have squat, just some article you read from a shill site. As for 'court testimony', I can point to you to 'expert witnesses' who sent people to long prison terms based on the fad of 'repressed memory' syndrome, claiming the testimony of little children under hypnosis was valid testimony in child molestation cases, so I'm not given to giving such stuff any cred; I do see where the racist lynch mob would love to have everybody beleive whatever suits their fantasies, but articles on the innernetz by professed 'experts' aren't evidence, and you have no way of judging their claims anyway.

I'll take this real, practicing expert over your potentially fictitious (or at least exaggerated) one... any day. If he really knew anything about voice analysis, he wouldn't have told you it doesn't hold up in court...

Since you know nothing at all about the topic, I don't particularly care who you believe. You also claim to be an expert street fighter and psychoanalyst, so excuse me while I lmao. You're just jumping on the bandwagon because you're a racist, and have never had an ounce of objectivity on the topic.

[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

This thread is a good opportunity to play prosecutor or defense. That's all we're doing, Farns.

In your case, probably; most of the rest of the 'Kill Zimmerman' mob are just indulging in their bloodlust and racism. They rarely get an opportunity to beat up the 'Great White Defendant', and they're litterally foaming at the mouth, now. The fact remains they still have nothing to justify even arresting the guy, much less getting a conviction, and the phone call nonsense doesn't change anything.

The voice analysis doesn't go well for George, especially if medical experts confirm that the gunshot wound would have immediatelty made such cries for help unlikely. In short, if the voice was Martin's, was he shouting for help before or after he was shot?

Why would that matter? If Zimmerman had just walked up and shot him, as the mob keeps trying to spin, there would have been no fight at all If Martin hadn't instigated it in the first place, there would have been no fight.

I'd like the FL Wild West law to go on trial, along with the Sanford PD as well. The objective is to enforce homicide laws, protect those who truly act in self defense, and hold all police depts. to a basic standard of proper enforcement.

Good luck with that, in an area that rates a 3 out of 100, 100 being the safest; citizen involvement is pretty much a necessity, unless you think a town with 57,000 people has the tax base to hire and pay thousands of police officers, and it's a given the response times in Sanford, with a crime rate that high, are pretty long.

I would think, barring eyewitnesses, film or other hard evidence that clearly points to self-defense, that police would arrest any person who kills another via use of weaponry.

Well, as jwreck posted, he was handcuffed and taken to the station, and there is a video of that, so I don't know what else they could have done. They had nothing to hold him on. That should even include a person who has been assaulted.

The arrest procedure -combined with proper crime scene process- allows for controlled collection of physical and interview evidence. The police and DA can drop or press charges, depending on what they find. Deciding to do so within a few short hours of the homicide clearly indicates sloppy police and prosecution operations, at the very least.

Sanford isn't Beverly Hills, and real life doesn't happen the way it does on TV cop shows. Sanford doesn't have the manpower or the labs, they have to pay other depts. for that, and as far as they were concerned, it was self-defense. Some ambulance chasers came along a couple of weeks later and turned it all into a media circus, not Zimmerman.

Florida passed the concealed carry law for a very good reason, and that was so citizens could defend themselves in a violent crime state. They simply do not have the number of police to protect people effectively, and that is not their fault, it's the reality of life, especially among minorities who worship gangster rappers and gangbangers, along with being fed a steady diet of racism and hate in their school systems.

The people who got Martin killed are his own peer group, and the so-called 'leaders' of the black community and their racism. Martin chose to act this out on an hispanic man, and it didn't go like he fantasized about. He made a bad choice, and his parents obviously played a big role in that. Too bad for him.

[Malcolm Wright]

you have squat, just some article you read from a shill site. As for 'court testimony', I can point to you to 'expert witnesses' who sent people to long prison terms based on the fad of 'repressed memory' syndrome, claiming the testimony of little children under hypnosis was valid testimony in child molestation cases, so I'm not given to giving such stuff any cred; I do see where the racist lynch mob would love to have everybody beleive whatever suits their fantasies, but articles on the innernetz by professed 'experts' aren't evidence, and you have no way of judging their claims anyway.

Comparing hypnosis regression to biometrics? Did that really feel like a valid comparison to you? The entertainment never ends...
Anyway, your brother did not claim that voice biometric analysis will one day prove to be unreliable - you said he claimed it isn't received well by courts TODAY. And that's simply not true. The disadvantage of believing everyone else is dumber than you is that you probably think we're easy to deceive... Sorry to disappoint.

The reality is that biometric voice analysis has earned the respect courts give it, in pace with the science as it refined itself over the past four or five decades. But I don't want to confuse you even further with the facts - you're confused enough as it is.

Either your brother doesn't exist, or he's not the expert you claim him to be, or you 'embellished' what he actually told you with the tidbit about such analysis not being acceptable in court. Either way, you're lying. Meh... Don't sweat it... its not like anyone's going to gasp from shock over it. It comes as no surprise to me at least.

Since you know nothing at all about the topic, I don't particularly care who you believe. You also claim to be an expert street fighter and psychoanalyst, so excuse me while I lmao. You're just jumping on the bandwagon because you're a racist, and have never had an ounce of objectivity on the topic.

I haven't claimed to be an expert in anything, let alone street fighting or psychoanalysis Where did I make such claims? I don't even claim to be an expert in the fields I am most versed in!

Just because I know how easy it is to cause a concussion or skull fracture does not make me an expert in anything at all... It would seem that you are projecting, my dear Farnsworth. Since it is your MO to claim expertise (or brothers with expertise, lol), you feel the need to make others out as doing the same... just to level the playing field? We're all just normal people piecing together the puzzle as best we can Farnsworth Why can't you be content being that way too? None of us think more of you because of your grand-standing, put downs, and claimed expertise (or brothers with expertise, hehe) - quite the contrary.

M

[9ball8]

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Good luck with that, in an area that rates a 3 out of 100, 100 being the safest; citizen involvement is pretty much a necessity, unless you think a town with 57,000 people has the tax base to hire and pay thousands of police officers, and it's a given the response times in Sanford, with a crime rate that high, are pretty long.

Well, as jwreck posted, he was handcuffed and taken to the station, and there is a video of that, so I don't know what else they could have done. They had nothing to hold him on. That should even include a person who has been assaulted.

Sanford isn't Beverly Hills, and real life doesn't happen the way it does on TV cop shows. Sanford doesn't have the manpower or the labs, they have to pay other depts. for that, and as far as they were concerned, it was self-defense. Some ambulance chasers came along a couple of weeks later and turned it all into a media circus, not Zimmerman.
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If one county doesn't have the labs or manpower, a nearby county or state forensics help out. If that isn't state law, it should be mandatory even if the feds make it so. The state and/or feds should pick up part of the bill, with an official nag for the county to get it's act together. That is much preferred to a local police dept. simply throwing in the towel whenever a homicide scene becomes too complicated for their resources. If you have a better way to lower a town's violent crime rate, let us know.

As for the neighborhood watch, I'm all for that to support the local PD. However, the neighborhood patrol should be armed with nothing more than a taser and a cell phone. Whenever the watch confirms something suspicious, he can leave the cell phone in constant contact with the dispatcher (send pics if possible), and use the taser for defense if absolutely necessary. No one needs to get seriously injured, thus the cops have a better chance of squeezing valuable information if/when the watch helps the cops corner local hoodlums.

[antiquity]

Leaves us in need of a witness. If someone the kid knew has a cell phone recording of him, maybe that can be used for voice matching. Probably wouldn't change the legal case much. Well, except that Zimmerman might have to do more explaining as to what was going on right before he shot a screaming child he was stalking.

I thought there was a witness who said Martin was on top of Zimmerman?

I thought that Zimmerman lost contact with Martin and was returning to his car when Martin attacked him according to the witness. Of course if you were there that would explain a lot.

[BooRadley]

I thought there was a witness who said Martin was on top of Zimmerman?

I thought that Zimmerman lost contact with Martin and was returning to his car when Martin attacked him according to the witness. Of course if you were there that would explain a lot.

Witness said he thinks he saw Zimmerman under martin, but he wasn't sure. That I'm aware of, no one except Zimmerman said that Zimmerman was returning to his car.

[antiquity]

We really do need a solid eye witness. I don't like the chances of one showing up though.

NEWS REPORTER: Yes. There have been several witnesses who have come out since the initial report. The witness I think you're referring to is John, and John is the one that said that he actually saw the scuffle between the two other people that we interviewed said they heard the screams, they knew there was some kind of confrontation. But this guy told us that he actually saw what he said was Trayvon Martin on top of George Zimmerman beating him, and that's when he called 911. He said, Zimmerman was actually saying to him please help me, please help me. He said then he went upstairs while he was calling 911, by then he was too late, that gunshot had already gone off.

[antiquity]

He's an expert in everything.

No is not, CR is.

[Truth Teller]

We really do need a solid eye witness. I don't like the chances of one showing up though. There are a few factors against it. First it was dark. The existing witnesses have all mentioned the limited nature of what they were able to make out because of this.
Second, apparently there's a chance any civil suit brought against Zimmerman for the wrongful death of Martin would make the complex liable as Zimmerman was acting on behalf of the neighborhood watch. That creates a clear conflict of interest. The suit could seek millions, making the liability of individual owners in the tens of thousands.

I think this sort of expert evidence at trial would greatly influence it.
If Trayvon was the one shouting for help, Zimmerman has been lying, with his claim that he was the one shouting for help. That would go a long way to convincing a jury of his guilt, especially if any other concrete evidence is lacking. I know we are supposed to convict beyond reasonable doubt, but humans are humans, and a lying defendant often makes a guilty defendant in our minds.

M

Less proof is required in a civil lawsuit than in a criminal lawsuit.

He's an expert in everything.

Q:What's the difference between Farnsworth and God?

A:God doesn't go around pretending to be Farnsworth.

* pats Farnsworth on the head *

Too late for me to update it - not sure why the article came down.
However given the info provided in the OP, it would take you all of 5 seconds to do a search come up with several articles on the matter...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1394224.html

M

Lots of conservatives here are way too lazy to Google it up theirselfs.

[DngrMse]

Too late for me to update it - not sure why the article came down.
However given the info provided in the OP, it would take you all of 5 seconds to do a search come up with several articles on the matter...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1394224.html

M

Good point. I did a search.

I'm surprised you actually posted this thread...the guy is a charlatan. While I'm not surprised the MFM bought into it, they're gullible, and seemingly proud of it, I expected better of DA's membership. And based on your well though out post on another thread, (though still clearly biased), I would have assumed you'd exercise due diligence before extolling the virtues of this self professed expert.

I could be smarmy at this point, and tell you to search for the article I'm basing this reply on...but where's the fun in that?

I doubt you'll actually click the link...I do really believe you're too biased on this issue to consider other viewpoints, but for the benefit of others:

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/mai...s-touting.html

[Malcolm Wright]

NEWS REPORTER: Yes. There have been several witnesses who have come out since the initial report. The witness I think you're referring to is John, and John is the one that said that he actually saw the scuffle between the two other people that we interviewed said they heard the screams, they knew there was some kind of confrontation. But this guy told us that he actually saw what he said was Trayvon Martin on top of George Zimmerman beating him, and that's when he called 911. He said, Zimmerman was actually saying to him please help me, please help me. He said then he went upstairs while he was calling 911, by then he was too late, that gunshot had already gone off.

Yup - well aware of this guy.
I'm not sure he can be considered solid at this stage because as far as I know, he now says it was too dark to know who was on top of who, and doubts who was calling for help? Not sure - I'll have to look around to confirm.

In any event, I believe that part of Zimmerman's story: that Martin was on top of him. Everything we know so far confirms it.

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