Oh, no...Obama's Birth Cert is actually FAKED. I'm CONVINCED!!

[Cyclone Ranger]

They didn't claim that. Their government denied it.

[big steve]

They didn't claim that. Their government denied it.

Money talks and gullible fools like you believe lies!

[Cyclone Ranger]

In other words, you have no evidence to the contrary.

[soylentgreen]

Are you a qualified expert in forensic document analysis?

You didn't LOOK at the document, did you?

What are you guys afraid of? Go look at the document. Check the areas I talked about. See for yourself that they're obiously doctored, enhanced, modified, changed.

[optimus]

HaHa, I'm neither with idiots like you nor am I with the terrorists! I believe in openness, honesty, and common sense. You obviously find those things distasteful. You are dumber than owlshit, you left-coast POS! You talk more civil, and I will not have to return in kind with the only language you may be smart enough to understand.

YOU GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS RIGHT NOW SO I CAN SEND THE AUTHORITIES TO ESCORT YOU TO GUANTANAMO BAY!!!!

You are out of line! You are disrespectful! You're also fat! You're gonna make a tasty meal for your terrorist buddies in Guantanamo Bay - you're new home punk! This is what happens when you're a traitor! You're a traitor to your own country! You will hang your head in shame for the rest of your life! I am amazed at your level of retardation, disrespect, insubordination, racism, stupidity, and gayness! Just because the president is black doesn't mean he was born in Kenya, you unbelievable undeniable unrepentant buffoon! Don't be surprised if a black helicopter show up to your trailer park later today!

[optimus]

Money talks and gullible fools like you believe lies!

Money talks and bullshit walks which is why you're gonna take a little walk to Cuba, punk!

[Guido]

Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion [Paperback]
Jeffrey St. Clair (Editor)

Book Description
Publication Date: May 15, 2012
"Those who feel that like lemmings they are being led over a cliff would be well-advised not to read this book. They may discover that they are right."—Noam Chomsky

“Jeffrey St. Clair and Joshua Frank have skillfully smoked out the real Barack Obama . . . the technofascist military strategist disguised as a Nobel Peace Laureate, but owned, operated, and controlled by Wall Street, Corporate America, and the Pentagon.”—Thomas H. Naylor, co-author of Affluenza, Downsizing the USA

The Barack Obama revolution was over before it started, guttered by the politician’s overweening desire to prove himself to the grandees of the establishment. From there on, other promises proved ever easier to break. Here's the book that dares not let Obama off the hook. It's all here: the compromises, the backstabbing, the same old imperial ambitions. Covering all major "Obummer" categories since he took office, this fast-paced collection will delight the critical and offer food for thought for those contemplating the 2012 electoral circus—and beyond.


http://www.amazon.com/Hopeless-Barac.../dp/1849351104

[Truth Teller]

TT, do you disagree with the statement: "She is either telling the truth or she isn't" ?

Yes or no, please.

It's not quite that simple. Apparently, there isn't a consensus on the definition of "natural born citizen."

But at this point, even if it was determined that a person born abroad with one American citizen parent qualifies as a natural born citizen, it wouldn't matter. Because IF (big if here) it did turn out that he was born abroad, then he would be guilty of fraud/forgery, and intentionally deceiving the nation this entire time. If Vader and Ganja's definition of natural born citizen is constitutionally correct, then he should've (and would've) just told the truth from the start.

Hey, I was just responding to the obvious flaw in your previous post. As for your comment above, well, I think you have good intentions, but it is extremely sad that you still haven't realized that (regardless of where he was born) Obama isn't what he presents himself to be, and he doesn't deserve your trust. I'm reminded of something that Jesus said... some people prefer to believe a lie than the truth. Or (evidently) some people just have a harder time discerning lies from truth. I will pray for you in that regard.

lily,when Clinton was president you (and your ilk) accused him of rubbing out everyone under the sun,now you (and your ilk) are doing the same thing to Obama ,plus bringing up the birth certificate.

Do you see a pattern here?

[Cyclone Ranger]

You didn't LOOK at the document, did you?

What are you guys afraid of? Go look at the document. Check the areas I talked about. See for yourself that they're obiously doctored, enhanced, modified, changed.

One, I'm not a qualified forensic document examiner.

Two, neither are you. Therefore, you have no idea whether your perception of the PDF document = doctored, enhanced, modified, changed.

[GanjaFreebird]

Hey, I was just responding to the obvious flaw in your previous post. As for your comment above, well, I think you have good intentions, but it is extremely sad that you still haven't realized that (regardless of where he was born) Obama isn't what he presents himself to be, and he doesn't deserve your trust. I'm reminded of something that Jesus said... some people prefer to believe a lie than the truth. Or (evidently) some people just have a harder time discerning lies from truth. I will pray for you in that regard.

I don't care about where Obama was born, what he presents himself to be or anything that Jesus may have said in regards to that, no offense to him, I care about the President doing his job well and doing things that I politically support, nothing more. This is why Clinton gets an A- in my book, while Obama gets about a B so far.

[GanjaFreebird]

Also, this comment is extremely sad, unwise and misguided:



How can you not understand that if our leaders are crooks who care not about the law of the land they swore to uphold, WE are going to be screwed over and stabbed in the back ultimately? Obviously because people like that only care about power and wealth, they don't care about you, me, or any laws.

I already know all of that, and the only choice I have is between an asshole that only cares about his power that will do political things that I support and an asshole who only cares about his power that does political things I don't support, so I will go with the former

[lily]

lily,when Clinton was president you (and your ilk) accused him of rubbing out everyone under the sun,now you (and your ilk) are doing the same thing to Obama ,plus bringing up the birth certificate.

Do you see a pattern here?

I'm not sure what posts you've been reading, where did I or others say that Obama was rubbing people out? Are you talking about the claim made by the woman in the video? I clearly stated that my posting of her video does not mean that I believe her OR disbelieve her. I don't know if she is being truthful or not. She seems sincere, but as I said, I would have to know more about her and investigate her claims before even coming close to concluding anything.

That said, the "pattern" that you asked about is corruption, lies and deception. That's what you refuse to see or believe. You constantly brush it off as "conspiracy theory" but at this point one would have to be either completely blind, or lying to themselves to deny that our government is corrupt. And it's not limited to any particular president or party. The last few presidents have been basically puppets, iyam. The problem is the entire system has been subverted, taken over by people who figured out long ago that if they control both major parties, it doesn't matter which party wins, THEY win either way. And the American people lose.

[Cyclone Ranger]

What corruption and deception?

[hadit]

I don't care about where Obama was born

That's an issue, then, because of the Constitutional requirements around who is eligible to be president. I don't care who runs for president. If they don't meet the Constitutional qualifications, they can't be president. That's what kicked this whole thing off, and TFO has only fanned the flames by being secretive, locking away his school records, things he supposedly wrote while in school, etc. If he had a reputation for openness and honesty, this wouldn't even be a blip on the radar screen.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Fair enough, but he proved it several times over.

[GanjaFreebird]

That's an issue, then, because of the Constitutional requirements around who is eligible to be president. I don't care who runs for president. If they don't meet the Constitutional qualifications, they can't be president. That's what kicked this whole thing off, and TFO has only fanned the flames by being secretive, locking away his school records, things he supposedly wrote while in school, etc. If he had a reputation for openness and honesty, this wouldn't even be a blip on the radar screen.

He WAS born in America, it's just that I personally wouldn't care even if he wasn't. His mom was born in America and that's enough as far as the Constitutional requirements go.

[soylentgreen]

One, I'm not a qualified forensic document examiner.

Two, neither are you. Therefore, you have no idea whether your perception of the PDF document = doctored, enhanced, modified, changed.

In other words, you refuse to look at the document because you're afraid of what you might see. Got ya. Thanks for playing.

[lily]

I don't care about where Obama was born, what he presents himself to be or anything that Jesus may have said in regards to that, no offense to him, I care about the President doing his job well and doing things that I politically support, nothing more. This is why Clinton gets an A- in my book, while Obama gets about a B so far.

I already know all of that, and the only choice I have is between an asshole that only cares about his power that will do political things that I support and an asshole who only cares about his power that does political things I don't support, so I will go with the former

Ok, I can see what the problem is here. You clearly aren't seeing the bigger picture and the ramifications of your "I'll vote for the lesser of two evils" mentality. I'll explain what I'm saying in a minute.

And I also think that you simply don't realize or believe what is actually going on. Your thinking seems to be, "Some corruption and lies in government doesn't affect me, and a president's character certainly doesn't matter, as long as they do their job."

What you aren't getting is that the "job" of that liar/deceiver/fraud that you support is not what you think it is. You seem to think that these presidents may be imperfect "assholes", but they still put through good programs that help people (like healthcare, welfare, etc). What you DON'T see or believe is that these presidents have an entirely different agenda. They are bought and paid for by interests that do NOT care about "the people" or about freedom or the idea that our leaders are supposed to represent US, and the power is with the people, as it should be. They don't believe in any of that.

Now, if that alone was the problem, it might still be remotely understandable that you would continue to play the "lesser of two evils" game. But the problem is, you and TT (and CR, although in his case I don't think it's a matter of disbelief or lack of awareness, I think he knows what he's doing) simply don't believe that there are people within our government who are entirely subversive. That's because the people who they are sold out to are subversive, they don't believe in nation states, their agenda is world government.

So, what you don't get is that it doesn't matter if you vote for the "lesser of two evils" - if you vote for ANY of those sold out puppets disguised as Democrats or Republicans, you are supporting their agenda for world government. What kind of government are they moving us toward? It's basically fascist, and certainly anti-individual rights and freedom. So, if you want fascism and a Police State type of system, and the end of national sovereignty and the beginning of the NWO, then continue to support the puppets that you support. Because the people who control them have that agenda. They are not the nice "Democrats" that you and TT believe they are.

[optimus]

Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion [Paperback]
Jeffrey St. Clair (Editor)

Book Description
Publication Date: May 15, 2012
"Those who feel that like lemmings they are being led over a cliff would be well-advised not to read this book. They may discover that they are right."—Noam Chomsky

“Jeffrey St. Clair and Joshua Frank have skillfully smoked out the real Barack Obama . . . the technofascist military strategist disguised as a Nobel Peace Laureate, but owned, operated, and controlled by Wall Street, Corporate America, and the Pentagon.”—Thomas H. Naylor, co-author of Affluenza, Downsizing the USA

The Barack Obama revolution was over before it started, guttered by the politician’s overweening desire to prove himself to the grandees of the establishment. From there on, other promises proved ever easier to break. Here's the book that dares not let Obama off the hook. It's all here: the compromises, the backstabbing, the same old imperial ambitions. Covering all major "Obummer" categories since he took office, this fast-paced collection will delight the critical and offer food for thought for those contemplating the 2012 electoral circus—and beyond.


http://www.amazon.com/Hopeless-Barac.../dp/1849351104

I would think that any elected president fits the same description, unfortunately.

[lily]

What corruption and deception?

You're not fooling anyone. At least not anyone with a brain.