Oh, no...Obama's Birth Cert is actually FAKED. I'm CONVINCED!!

[big steve]

Republican truth is usually lies passed on by their big business masters. Be a good soulless sellout and go back to juggling big business' balls on your chin.

Gosh, you are IGNORANT !

[lily]

Ok, I know that some of you want this story to be over, but has anyone else seen this interview? It's an interview of Bettina Viviano, a Hollywood producer who claims that Bill Clinton stated Obama is ineligible. I'm not saying that I believe this woman one way or the other. TBH, I haven't looked into her claims enough to decide whether or not she is being honest. But she IS risking her career by saying this, and risking being attacked and marginalized (Alinsky tactics, as I mentioned on another thread.)

She makes some VERY strong and interesting claims in this video, including that Bill was threatened into staying silent.

Note: I know that some of you will want to dismiss it before even watching it simply based on who did the interview. But instead of rejecting it based on the messenger, at least listen to what this woman is saying. Just watch it:

[GanjaFreebird]

Ok, I know that some of you want this story to be over, but has anyone else seen this interview? It's an interview of Bettina Viviano, a Hollywood producer who claims that Bill Clinton stated Obama is ineligible. I'm not saying that I believe this woman one way or the other. TBH, I haven't looked into her claims enough to decide whether or not she is being honest. But she IS risking her career by saying this, and risking being attacked and marginalized (Alinsky tactics, as I mentioned on another thread.)

She makes some VERY strong and interesting claims in this video, including that Bill was threatened into staying silent.

Note: I know that some of you will want to dismiss it before even watching it simply based on who did the interview. But instead of rejecting it based on the messenger, at least listen to what this woman is saying. Just watch it:

[lily]

Thank you for proving my point on this and the other thread.

[GanjaFreebird]

Thank you for proving my point on this and the other thread.

That was the appropriate response. I mean, even you know that Hillary REALLY wanted to become the president and she WOULD if it wasn't for Obama, and the LAST THING they would hide would be Obama's "secret of him being born in Africa". That would be the FIRST THING they would throw at him!! Clinton fought VERY HARD and threw as much dirt on him as she could, as she's one tough politician, and him being born in Africa would've been THE BEST THING going for her. She'd be the President today if she "knew" something like this, and I'm sure that the pro-Hillary Democrats would've figured that one out before anybody else and sent Obama back to Chicago, if that was the case.

[lily]

That was the appropriate response. I mean, even you know that Hillary REALLY wanted to become the president and she WOULD if it wasn't for Obama, and the LAST THING they would hide would be Obama's "secret of him being born in Africa". That would be the FIRST THING they would throw at him!! Clinton fought VERY HARD and threw as much dirt on him as she could, as she's one tough politician, and him being born in Africa would've been THE BEST THING going for her. She'd be the President today if she "knew" something like this, and I'm sure that the pro-Hillary Democrats would've figured that one out before anybody else and sent Obama back to Chicago, if that was the case.

Did you watch the interview? She claims that they were threatened. A friend of theirs, Bill Gwatney, was murdered, and then she claims that someone mentioned harm coming to their daughter, Chelsea.

Obviously we don't know all the facts and what happened, but if she's telling the truth, I'm sure there are numerous reasons why the Clintons would choose to be silent.

The woman is either telling the truth or she's not. I'm not saying I believe her.... but it wouldn't surprise me at all if what she was saying is true.

[GanjaFreebird]

Did you watch the interview? She claims that they were threatened. A friend of theirs, Bill Gwatney, was murdered, and then she claims that someone mentioned harm coming to their daughter, Chelsea.

I call BULLSHIT. If the Clintons "know it" and Gwatney "knew it", then MANY MANY people "know it", and you can't just murder EVERYBODY! The Democrats sure aren't interested in such "civil wars" among their people, and they wouldn't have chose somebody who wasn't born in America, to begin with, just so that they would "have to" threaten the Clintons and murder other politicians and fear every second that somebody will say something. You need to give politicians and professionals that are involved a little more credit than that. They wouldn't do stupid shit like that even if they could! Nobody wants to deal with such stress, not even VERY bad people, and obviously you've been watching too many Hollywood movies.

It's especially funny since you claim that Bill Clinton hired all of those unbelievably amazing professionals to murder his political enemies and get away with it so clean, apparently. If he can do THAT, he obviously wouldn't have to worry about a senator from Chicago threatening his daughter and his wife, would he. If anything, according to your stories, one would have to fear for Obama's life when he was running against Hillary.

Obviously we don't know all the facts and what happened, but if she's telling the truth, I'm sure there are numerous reasons why the Clintons would choose to be silent.

She's not telling the truth, stop being stupid.

The woman is either telling the truth or she's not. I'm not saying I believe her.... but it wouldn't surprise me at all if what she was saying is true.

A lot of things "wouldn't surprise" you obviously, but that doesn't necessarily make them true.

[lily]

I call BULLSHIT. If the Clintons "know it" and Gwatney "knew it", then MANY MANY people "know it", and you can't just murder EVERYBODY! The Democrats sure aren't interested in such "civil wars" among their people, and they wouldn't have chose somebody who wasn't born in America, to begin with, just so that they would "have to" threaten the Clintons and murder other politicians and fear every second that somebody will say something. You need to give politicians and professionals that are involved a little more credit than that. They wouldn't do stupid shit like that even if they could! Nobody wants to deal with such stress, not even VERY bad people, and obviously you've been watching too many Hollywood movies.

It's especially funny since you claim that Bill Clinton hired all of those unbelievably amazing professionals to murder his political enemies and get away with it so clean, apparently. If he can do THAT, he obviously wouldn't have to worry about a senator from Chicago threatening his daughter and his wife, would he. If anything, according to your stories, one would have to fear for Obama's life when he was running against Hillary.



She's not telling the truth, stop being stupid.



A lot of things "wouldn't surprise" you obviously, but that doesn't necessarily make them true.

That post was a bit nonsensical and all over the place, but thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I want to find out more about Viviano, and look into her claims more before coming to any conclusions.

Obviously you have a lot more trust in our government, and (as I mentioned on a thread I posted today in the Big Debates) you can't seem to even wrap your mind around the idea that we have criminals running the show. You see our government (at the higher levels) as a lot more 'clean' and honest than I do, and that of course influences your positions. It's impossible for some people to even fathom the idea that people in power do things like assassinations, blatant propaganda, etc. Oh wait- actually, you DO probably understand those things occur, but it's always "the other side" who is corrupt. What you still haven't realized is that both major parties are sold out and corrupt and are controlled by the same people. So it's more like 2 wings of one party. Anyway, I hope that someday you will take off the rose-colored glasses and realize that you have put your trust in people who do not deserve it.

[GanjaFreebird]

Obviously you have a lot more trust in our government, and (as I mentioned on a thread I posted today in the Big Debates) you can't seem to even wrap your mind around the idea that we have criminals running the show.

I only trust anybody, including the gov't, so much, and yes, of course, there are all kinds of criminals there, however, it's hard to prevent SUCH relevant information from being known, ESPECIALLY when many of American politicians actually know it and can take advantage of it. They may be bad, but they aren't stupid.

You see our government (at the higher levels) as a lot more 'clean' and honest than I do,

I don't see any gov't of ANY levels as "more clean or honest" at all, I just think that some things they can do and some things they can't do, and other things they wouldn't do even if they could.

and that of course influences your positions. It's impossible for some people to even fathom the idea that people in power do things like assassinations, blatant propaganda, etc.

Of course all of that happens, but NOT over hiding the President's place of birth, especially when the Democrats "apparently" knew about it before they even nominated him. They would just avoid such a problem by nominating somebody else that was born in America.

Oh wait- actually, you DO probably understand those things occur, but it's always "the other side" who is corrupt. What you still haven't realized is that both major parties are sold out and corrupt and are controlled by the same people. So it's more like 2 wings of one party. Anyway, I hope that someday you will take off the rose-colored glasses and realize that you have put your trust in people who do not deserve it.

I don't trust any of them or like any of them, I just go for the ones that are better in my opinion. I agree more with Obama than with anybody in the opposition, and that's the reason why I support him. I don't care about "corruption" because ALL of them are corrupt, the question is, who is going to do less damage. Nice people don't get to be powerful, the only question is who is actually going to get anything done in regards to what each of us support, that's all.

[Malcolm Wright]

I'll say this - she comes across as pretty sincere to me.
However - this concern about the eligibility has a very big stumbling block. Everything we know about the vetting process should lead us to believe that it is quite simply a very very long stretch to believe the party would back a candidate who is not eligible. Hillary was a viable candidate. I believe she would have won if she had not been running against Obama. I don't see an advantage worth the risk of accepting an ineligible candidate to the presidency. That advantage may exist, but it is not apparent to me and if anyone can point to it, I would invite them to do so.

I do think we'll get to the bottom of this eventually. I'm not at all opposed to people trying to do so. And if there has been a cover up, I agree with Ganja that it is simply too huge to hide for long. So may it all play out. May her film raise the questions it raises and may the process reveal whatever needs to be revealed.

M

[GanjaFreebird]

There's nothing to reveal, Obama was born in America, as hard as it might be for some people to accept. Either way, his mother was born in America, so it doesn't matter in the end anyways.

[Malcolm Wright]

There's nothing to reveal, Obama was born in America, as hard as it might be for some people to accept. Either way, his mother was born in America, so it doesn't matter in the end anyways.

Does that mean he was eligible through his mother? I thought you had to be born in the US...

M

[big steve]

There's nothing to reveal, Obama was born in America, as hard as it might be for some people to accept. Either way, his mother was born in America, so it doesn't matter in the end anyways.

What an ignorant and misleading post! Many believe Obama was born in Kenya, and his mother's lack of residency qualification would negate him being "natural born." All this has been repeatedly discussed, so quit acting stupid!

[Cyclone Ranger]

They're wrong. He was born in Hawaii, and his birth certificate proves it. End of story.

Asinine Youtube speculation doesn't change it.

[big steve]

They're wrong. He was born in Hawaii, and his birth certificate proves it. End of story.

Asinine Youtube speculation doesn't change it.

You are your ilk's opinion does not change that he was as likely born in Kenya as he was in Hawaii. Gullibility in accepting a fake BC is no excuse for your ignorance.

[Cyclone Ranger]

No, there is no evidence of that, Twinkie. You just wish it were true.

It does not make sense that Obama's mother would run off to Africa in the middle of a semester to give birth in a third-world country, but still have birth announcements published in Hawaii. Nor, is there any evidence that occurred.

[optimus]

What an ignorant and misleading post! Many believe Obama was born in Kenya, and his mother's lack of residency qualification would negate him being "natural born." All this has been repeatedly discussed, so quit acting stupid!

That's a really stupid thing to say! Even for you punk! No one believes Obama was born in Kenya EXCEPT FOR RETARDED RETARDS! I am sick and tired of your blatant disrepect! Only a brown terrorist would say the same things you have to say! Are you on the same side of the terrorists big steve you punk ass punk! YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR YOU'RE WITH THE TERRORISTS! Answer me or I'll personally have you escorted to Guantanamo Bay! Punk!

[Archaix]

What I really liked most about this thread was the 'Oh, no...' prefix. You know, as though soylentgreen's fragile hopes were cruelly dashed upon his discovery.

[GanjaFreebird]

Does that mean he was eligible through his mother? I thought you had to be born in the US...

M

If his mother is a natural born citizen (and OBVIOUSLY she was), it doesn't matter WHERE he was born, he's a natural born citizen technically. Having said that, he was born in America.

[IFF]

Actually you have a very good point. Most of us on the right want to discuss the state of the economy, unemployment, debt, jobs, the cost of living, Obamacare, etc, etc but the lefties don't really want to engage. Can't really blame them considering Obama's dismal record. They'd rather focus on Rush Limbaugh (sexism), the shooting in Fla (racism), and any other stupid or trumped up issue they can to smear the right. I see you are stepping up and suggesting to the right they not focus on the BC but why don't you also suggest to the lefties they actually engage on the important issues?

ah yes, it's all the other side, regardless of who the other side is, that the problem lies with.
i would personally rather focus on the issues at hand rather than just personal attacks between people who lean towards the differing political spectrums here.

but in response, i do think the rush limbaugh and the shooting in florida were important issues. maybe not the most pressing issues facing the US but they were important.