Trayvon Martin's ten day suspension

[Farnsworth,Luther P.]

3 charges of domestic violence by two different women, at least two of which earned him a permanent injuction.

So we've got a guy with 4 charges of violence, including violence against women and violence against a law enforcement officer, who habitually calls 911 on young black men because he finds them suspicious, who skulks around the neighborhood with a gun looking for suspicious young black men, who follows one, stops, gets out and confronts him. Something happens and he shoots the kid, then pins him down and holds him face down in the dirt and doesn't call or call for an ambulance, and you're assume that there's no reason for a grand jury? Further, you assume that the only reason anyone says there is, is because they're racist?

And you don't find that even a little bit insane?



Roofles . . .

Repeating yourself over and over and adding some more 'Dramatic effects' to your fantasies doesn't change the original answer.

Or are you doing self-hypnosis? I apologize for interrupting the mantra rhythms, if that's the case.

[queenlillian1962]

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Is the whitewash starting to come off?

Well getting suspended for pot isn't any big deal. However if the kid got suspended for hitting a bus driver that is a big deal and may back up zimmerman's story that the kid attacked him. Small dick complex VS Teenage hot head, wonder where this would have landed if the gun hadn't been there?

[Malcolm Wright]

Trayvon's suspension is only interesting because the less astute decided to try to portray him as an angel.
When it comes to the important aspects of his death, it's really neither here nor there. Even if he didn't shy away from fighting, and Zimmerman shadowed him too closely, slinking around trying to play the sleuth, provoking Trayvon perhaps even further than that in some way... Zimmerman is still up for manslaughter. He still should have been arrested on the spot.

That's the issue that sparked all of this - the fact that the cops didn't arrest Zimmerman. In a sense, the desire to portray Trayvon as an angel is the pendulum swinging to the other extreme to compensate for the cops, and the way their actions immediately rubber stamped Zimmerman and categorized Trayvon as a thug.

Which ever side you choose to emphasize simply shows your bias.
When all of the bias falls away, manslaughter remains.

M

[Malcolm Wright]

Well getting suspended for pot isn't any big deal. However if the kid got suspended for hitting a bus driver that is a big deal and may back up zimmerman's story that the kid attacked him. Small dick complex VS Teenage hot head, wonder where this would have landed if the gun hadn't been there?

I've asked myself the same question. I really wish the gun hadn't been there. They'd both be alive, and they'd both have felt like idiots after the scrap... :/

[BooRadley]

Still no evidence of a felony criminal history, Boo?

Case Type: Domestic Violence
Date Filed: 08/10/2005
Location: Div 46
Judicial Officer: White, Keith F
Uniform Case Number: 482005DR013069A001OX

DISPOSITIONS
08/24/2005
Final Order Permanent Injunction Recorded



Case Type: Misdemeanor
Date Filed: 07/18/2005
Location: Orlando
Judicial Officer: Miller, W Michael
Inmate Booking Number: 05200584
Uniform Case Number: 482005MM010436000AOX



Case Type: Criminal Felony
Date Filed: 07/18/2005
Location: Div 10
Judicial Officer: OKane, Julie H
Inmate Booking Number: 05200584
Uniform Case Number: 482005CF009525000AOX

Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL


Statute

Level

Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE 843.01 Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005
2. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER 784.07(2)(B) Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005

Case Type: Domestic Violence
Date Filed: 12/08/1993
Location: Div 46
Judicial Officer: White, Keith F
Uniform Case Number: 481993DR013581A001OX


Either pay attention or fuck off. Either one. I don't care which.

[queenlillian1962]

Trayvon's suspension is only interesting because the less astute decided to try to portray him as an angel.
When it comes to the important aspects of his death, it's really neither here nor there. Even if he didn't shy away from fighting, and Zimmerman shadowed him too closely, slinking around trying to play the sleuth, provoking Trayvon perhaps even further than that in some way... Zimmerman is still up for manslaughter. He still should have been arrested on the spot.

That's the issue that sparked all of this - the fact that the cops didn't arrest Zimmerman. In a sense, the desire to portray Trayvon as an angel is the pendulum swinging to the other extreme to compensate for the cops, and the way their actions immediately rubber stamped Zimmerman and categorized Trayvon as a thug.

Which ever side you choose to emphasize simply shows your bias.
When all of the bias falls away, manslaughter remains.

M

Should he be up on manslaughter probably, but the way the law reads this could be countered by claiming self defense. It's one thing for us to think morally whether or not he should be brought up on charges, but the law doesn't have emotion and I'm not sure Zimmerman broke any laws. As far as the kid,I have teenagers, they by nature are not angels. This was a healthy male with raging hormones who was being followed and annoyed by a cop wanna be,I'm not surprised they got in a fight. Only Zimmerman can say why he pulled the gun. the whole thing sucks.

[Lulu]

Should he be up on manslaughter probably, but the way the law reads this could be countered by claiming self defense. It's one thing for us to think morally whether or not he should be brought up on charges, but the law doesn't have emotion and I'm not sure Zimmerman broke any laws. As far as the kid,I have teenagers, they by nature are not angels. This was a healthy male with raging hormones who was being followed and annoyed by a cop wanna be,I'm not surprised they got in a fight. Only Zimmerman can say why he pulled the gun. the whole thing sucks.

You are missing the issue of this case. If someone stalks, confronts, perhaps antagonizes someone and/or makes them feel threatened, how can he claim self defense. The stand your ground statute is meant for a perpetrator who provokes an incident who then ends up dead because the victim kills him. This is not what happened here from everything we know at this point.

Keep in mind Trayvon had no clue who this guy was and Zimmerman is rather large and he sounds like a weirdo based on his 911 calls. That social retardness would have made him seem strange and possibly a threat when he confronted Trayvon.

Overall, the tendency to blame the victim absolutely disgusts me. This was a kid who went to the store and ended up dead because some guy wanted to play cop.

[Pho King]

Case Type: Domestic Violence
Date Filed: 08/10/2005
Location: Div 46
Judicial Officer: White, Keith F
Uniform Case Number: 482005DR013069A001OX

DISPOSITIONS
08/24/2005
Final Order Permanent Injunction Recorded



Case Type: Misdemeanor
Date Filed: 07/18/2005
Location: Orlando
Judicial Officer: Miller, W Michael
Inmate Booking Number: 05200584
Uniform Case Number: 482005MM010436000AOX



Case Type: Criminal Felony
Date Filed: 07/18/2005
Location: Div 10
Judicial Officer: OKane, Julie H
Inmate Booking Number: 05200584
Uniform Case Number: 482005CF009525000AOX

Charges: ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL


Statute

Level

Date
1. CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE 843.01 Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005
2. BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER 784.07(2)(B) Third Degree - Felony 07/16/2005

Case Type: Domestic Violence
Date Filed: 12/08/1993
Location: Div 46
Judicial Officer: White, Keith F
Uniform Case Number: 481993DR013581A001OX


Either pay attention or fuck off. Either one. I don't care which.

You clearly have no idea what constitutes a"felony history" as it relates to gun possession laws. Why am I not surprised?

[BooRadley]

You clearly have no idea what constitutes a"felony history" as it relates to gun possession laws. Why am I not surprised?

Move the goal posts much? You asked if he had a felony history. In fact, you nagged me about it repeatedly. He does. Go away.

[Pho King]

Move the goal posts much? You asked if he had a felony history. In fact, you nagged me about it repeatedly. He does. Go away.

Actually, you had questioned why he had a gun, given his criminal history.

"Further, what was he doing with a gun when he has felonies on his rap sheet?"


He does not have a felony history. He is not a felon. No felonies on his rap sheet. Or do you consider everyone ever charged with a felony to in fact be a felon? Nice bit of slander-brought on by your misapprehension of localand federal law.

[Lulu]

Zimmerman doesn't have a felony record because he plea bargained on the officer assault. The restraining orders also don't constitute felonies. He didn't have a felony which is why he was able to get a gun... so technically, Pho is right but Zimmerman's record speaks for itself. Abusive, no respect for authority, violence issues, possible alcohol related troubles. Trayvon had a 10-day suspension.

[Pho King]

Zimmerman doesn't have a felony record because he plea bargained on the officer assault. The restraining orders also don't constitute felonies. He didn't have a felony which is why he was able to get a gun... so technically, Pho is right but Zimmerman's record speaks for itself. Abusive, no respect for authority, violence issues, possible alcohol related troubles. Trayvon had a 10-day suspension.

I am not just "technically correct". Boo was talking from emotion. I have noticed he (she?) does that frequently, and misapprehends very basic facts as a result.

[BooRadley]

I am not just "technically correct". Boo was talking from emotion. I have noticed he (she?) does that frequently, and misapprehends very basic facts as a result.

No, you were trying to but in on a conversation you weren't a part of. That's what I was talking to FLoP about. That's why I asked him if he knew if Zimmerman plead out the felony assault charge. Turns out he did. That simple.

The assault on a cop was definitely brought as a felony. I thought I saw another one on there, too. I don't recall the disposition of the case though. Did he plea out?

That's not "speaking from emotion". Quit throwing your problems off on me.

[Pho King]

No, you were trying to but in on a conversation you weren't a part of. That's what I was talking to FLoP about. That's why I asked him if he knew if Zimmerman plead out the felony assault charge. Turns out he did. That simple.



That's not "speaking from emotion". Quit throwing your problems off on me.

Nice try, but you are theone with a pretty basic factual misunderstanding.

[BooRadley]

Nice try, but you are theone with a pretty basic factual misunderstanding.

Whatever, troll.

[Pho King]

Whatever, troll.

Ahhh, the tacit concession of defeat.

[9ball8]

It won't go well for Zimm. His record, his refusal to back off despite the suggestion from dispatch, the victim had no weapon, the victim had a less serious record than the perp. It all looks bad for George.

What looks even worse is the Sanford PD. If they had arrested him on manslaughter charges, this would not have been a national story. The local DA could have investigated the case and avoided dragging Sanford's name through shit. Zimmerman might have been able to plea down to the least time for a manslaughter charge, and avoid further liability against his assets. As it is, he'll be facing lawsuits that will ruin his finances forever, even if he stays out of jail. Ironically, the Sanford cops screwed Zimmerman over by not arresting him when it was indicated. Look now for a lot more money behind Zimmerman's prosecution & defense, compared to what it would have cost to arrest and investigate a manslaughter charge, as SOP. "Stand your ground" law, my ass. How 'bout we re-name it "drain the FL state treasury" law?

[caddis]

I don't think Trayvon was a model student.

How could that be? From what I have seen, he was a cute, clean-cut, skittle-loving, 12 year old model student.

A 10-day suspension for tardiness isn't believable so I'd have to say there's more to the story on the suspension.

The "more to the story" should be directed at who and why people were lead to believe the suspension was for tardiness.

However, it doesn't change the fact that vigilante, over zealous Zimmerman followed him, confronted him in some way, at some point pulled a gun and now this kid is dead.

...Maybe not, but it should change the way you have been duped into perceiving and further, describing Zimmerman. At the very least, it should make you question your own conclusions and emotions.

Trayvon did nothing, other than "look suspicious" that night.

Are you sure of this?

Trayvon had career aspirations to be an engineer or airplane mechanic... that is not a gang banger.

Maybe, maybe not, I won't accept the first part of your sentence as fact simply because of the evidence that you have already been manipulated and lied to. As to the second half, it's simply opinion

I will say. regardless of whether he really was a gang banger or not....If you are going to dress the part, then you will be given the role.

[caddis]

Not sure what that was, but the article also said the suspension was for pot, and it went on and on about people posting pictures of reefer in his blog. Guessing it was pot. I got suspended for fighting a bunch of times, never more than 3 days. The one time I got busted with pot it was much more severe. 10 days is probably a "zero tolerance" thing with pot. Of course, that's just a guess. Like most everything else until more details come out

Many times, when a kid is busted for pot it is because he got in trouble doing something else (fighting?) and pot was found later during a search of his bag

[Dreamy]

"yu ain't tell me yu swung on a bus driver."

Again, not that excuses any event of that night. I DO think it demonstrates that this story has been completely slanted and one person's background was whitewashed while the other was picked through with a microscope.

Not truly whitewashed. It simply was early in the media telling us all of the story weeks back and the people who dig for dirt had not yet begun. Once this story hit a frenzy chord in the masses and the media, we found an apparently innocent boy was shot to death AND he was not perfect in his life. That truth does not change the fact that the boy was shot for apparently no valid reason.