New report on Israel's treatment of Palestinean children: Bound, Blindfolded and Convicted

[kellyb]

http://www.dci-palestine.org/sites/d...s/report_0.pdf

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"This Report is the culmination of four years’ work during which time sworn testimonies were collected from 311 children held in Israeli military detention. The Report focuses on the period of time between the child’s arrest and being brought before a military court for the first time. The testimonies reveal that the majority of children are detained in the middle of the night in what are typically described as terrifying raids conducted by the army.

Most children have their hands painfully tied behind their backs and are blindfolded, before being taken away to an unknown location for interrogation. The arrest and transfer process is often accompanied by verbal abuse and humiliation, threats as well as physical violence. Hours later the children find themselves in an interrogation room, alone, sleep deprived, bruised and scared. Unlike Israeli children living in settlements in the West Bank, Palestinian children are not accompanied by a parent and are generally interrogated without the benefit of legal advice, or being informed of their right to silence.


The testimonies reveal that most children undergo a coercive interrogation, mixing verbal abuse, threats and physical violence, generally resulting in a confession. The most common offence children confess to is throwing stones. The Report also finds that in 29 percent of cases, the children are either shown, or made to sign, documentation written in Hebrew, a language they do not understand"


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Can this be defended? These aren't isolated incidents - it's HUNDREDS of cases.

They're blindfolded 90% of the time.

Physical violence 75% of the time.

Threatened 57% of the time.

Strip searched 33% of the time.

[BooRadley]

I honestly have no idea why we take the stand on Israel that we do. No matter what they do, we defend them. When the entire planet Earth passes a resolution condemning some action Israel has taken, we veto it every single time. Even for war crime, cluster-bombing civilians, assassinations and all manner of horrific acts, we defend them, no matter what. I really don't get it.

I do get that they have a tough situation, that they're surrounded by people who want to eliminate the state, and that they have a right to defend themselves, but we take that as a right to engage in war crimes and terrorism, which it isn't. Both parties, and all politicians in the US do it. I don't get why. All the excuses they give are bullshit.

Edit: By the way, be prepared to be blasted with accusations of anti-Semitism.

[86Dùde]

Israel will be the death of us all

[kellyb]

Edit: By the way, be prepared to be blasted with accusations of anti-Semitism.

Don't care. I like Jews. My kids' godparents are Jewish. I don't even blame the Israeli people in general for the crimes of their government. I'm sure a lot of them don't like it and others are in denial or something. Sorta like the US.

[Šñøü†ê®]

The zionist regime has been a terrorist regime since day one since zionism was implemented and they started blowing up British stuff. And it is most troubling that the terrorists get away with genocide. The zionists are one level more clever than Nazis because while the Nazis had opposition, the zionists control what would be the opposition.

[Cyclone Ranger]

The kids chose to throw rocks at Israel soldiers - usually, at the request of Hamas, and with the complete support of their parents - and consequently get interrogated and tossed in jail before being released to their parents.

A good solution would be: send your kids to school instead of letting them hang out in a war zone to throw rocks at armed soldiers, or become shahids.

[Cyclone Ranger]

The zionist regime has been a terrorist regime since day one since zionism was implemented and they started blowing up British stuff. And it is most troubling that the terrorists get away with genocide. The zionists are one level more clever than Nazis because while the Nazis had opposition, the zionists control what would be the opposition.

Ah, yes. The anti-Semitic idiots point of view. Thanks for sharing.

[kellyb]

The kids chose to throw rocks at Israel soldiers - usually, at the request of Hamas, and with the complete support of their parents - and consequently get interrogated and tossed in jail before being released to their parents.

A good solution would be: send your kids to school instead of letting them hang out in a war zone to throw rocks at armed soldiers, or become shahids.

THAT's your answer?

[Cyclone Ranger]

Even for war crime, cluster-bombing civilians, assassinations and all manner of horrific acts, we defend them, no matter what. I really don't get it.

Because the claims about "horrific acts" are invariably bullshit made up by people who simply can't stand the idea of a Jewish state.

When the Israelis strike out at Hamas rocket launchers, tunnel diggers, and suicide bombers and civilians are inevitably killed, out come the claims that the Israelis "cluster bomb" civilians.

[Cyclone Ranger]

THAT's your answer?

It's not the Israelis fault Hamas uses children to carry out their dirty work, with their parents' full consent. If you groom your children to be martyrs, they will end up getting killed.

[kellyb]

Ah, yes. The anti-Semitic idiots point of view. Thanks for sharing.

I dunno, man. Waiting till the middle of the night to bust in on, blindfold, and strip search, and assault kids for throwing rocks at the soldiers occupying their country really does sound like terrorism.

[kellyb]

It's not the Israelis fault Hamas uses children to carry out their dirty work, with their parents' full consent. If you groom your children to be martyrs, they will end up getting killed.

Hamas' dirty work is....throwing rocks?

[Cyclone Ranger]

That's part of their dirty work, given that people regularly get maimed and killed after being hit by them.

Of course, recruiting child suicide bombers is also part. If the kids were just in school instead of a war zone, none of that would happen.

The fact the PA's children's television glorifies martyrhood doesn't help.

[Cyclone Ranger]

I dunno, man. Waiting till the middle of the night to bust in on, blindfold, and strip search, and assault kids for throwing rocks at the soldiers occupying their country really does sound like terrorism.

No, terrorism is a lot more like having your home destroyed by rockets launched from the West Bank and Gaza, or your children killed by a suicide bomber, or even being murdered by a volley of rocks thrown by children paid by Hamas.

The soldiers are occupying their "country" because they prefer the above to making any peace that involves a Jewish state existing.

[Šñøü†ê®]

Because the claims about "horrific acts" are invariably bullshit made up by people who simply can't stand the idea of a Jewish state.

^Kamandi presenting 3 lies and 1 ad hominem in one sentence...alert!

[Cyclone Ranger]

Israel will be the death of us all

Yes, I'm sure everything is the Jews' fault.

[Cyclone Ranger]

I'm not Kamandi.

[Alberto_Balsalm]

The testimonies reveal that the majority of children are detained in the middle of the night in what are typically described as terrifying raids conducted by the army.

And... ? I find the use of the military in this regard to not be troubling at all, given the security situation in Gaza and the West Bank. I note your emphasis on the passage and wonder what exactly what level of force the Israeli government should use to detain suspects who live in the West Bank or Gaza. Should they send squad cars in broad daylight?

Most children have their hands painfully tied behind their backs and are blindfolded, before being taken away to an unknown location for interrogation. The arrest and transfer process is often accompanied by verbal abuse and humiliation, threats as well as physical violence. Hours later the children find themselves in an interrogation room, alone, sleep deprived, bruised and scared. Unlike Israeli children living in settlements in the West Bank, Palestinian children are not accompanied by a parent and are generally interrogated without the benefit of legal advice, or being informed of their right to silence.


The testimonies reveal that most children undergo a coercive interrogation, mixing verbal abuse, threats and physical violence, generally resulting in a confession.

All denied by the Israeli Security Agency.

I know, I know. I hear you thinking "Well, why should I believe what the Israelis have to say about this?" To which I would respond, "Well, what reason do I have to believe a report issued by an organization as avowedly anti-Israel as "Defense of Children" International Palestine Section? The organization routinely calls for boycotts, divestment and sanctions against Israel, which leads me to doubt its objectivity.

However, most tellingly is the fact that a member of its board of directors is linked to the the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. PFLP is a terrorist organization that (like many other Palestinian terrorist organizations) routinely engages in child abuse, ranging from the indoctrination of Palestinian children to the murder of Israeli children. This leads me to further doubt its objectivity.

The most common offence children confess to is throwing stones.

I'm curious as to why you wanted to emphasize this particular passage.

Can this be defended?

I feel that unfortunately this ultimately boils down to "he said, she said".

[kellyb]

I know, I know. I hear you thinking "Well, why should I believe what the Israelis have to say about this?"

Actually, I'm wondering why you're linking to an article from an obscure website refuting a Guardian article?

[Šñøü†ê®]

How can the legal occupation of a land mass have "security issues" from the natives unless something is majorly flucked up? If Yahweh doesn't exist, the entire premise is bullshit. And if Yahweh does exist, according to His Son Jesus, zionists are assholes who hammered the Son of Yahweh to a cross for NO REASON. So either way, the land is Satanic, not Holy.