New report on Israel's treatment of Palestinean children: Bound, Blindfolded and Convicted

[Truth Teller]

You're lying again. Or perhaps your lying is so habitual that you've literally lost the ability to realize when you're lying and when you aren't.

As a matter of fact, you told us, repeatedly, that you were "terminally ill," and would in all likelihood die in a matter of months. You "mysteriously" declined to identify the diagnosis.

This lie served two purposes for you:

First, you used it to explain why you spend virtually all of your waking hours posting stupid shit on DA, as if you had no other life at all. (People might wonder why a wealthy man living in upper Manhattan has nothing better to do than post stupid shit on DA and you explained that you are "bed-ridden" with your terminal illness. Any port in a storm, as they say.)

Second, you used it to garner sympathy when you were being attack -- ironically for blatant lying. Being a nice guy, I was momentarily taken in and, giving you the benefit of the doubt, wrote a private message to you apologizing for being mean to a sick old man and wishing you good health.

Nothing good can possibly result from such compulsive lying, at least that's how I see it.

The racist pinhead from Ukraine wrote:



The reason you wonder about this is that you are a stupid fucking Ukrainian racist cretin.

You're all uptight and tense Guido,that's why you are so hostile,go to Maggie's Whorehouse,they might be able to loosen you up.

From the OP:



Copy machine on the fritz?

Now, I'm not anywhere near a Zionist apologist but I seek the Truth. I break things down and asks how can things happen. In 71% of the cases, the kids received the palestianian language confession. A Hebrew language confession (for the benefit of the Judan interrogators) and/or the palestianian language one probably came from on high to the "grunts in the field". they ran off a bunch of copies of the palestianian one - hence 71% of the kids got that one. Now, did the copy machine break down and the IT dude was on vacation or called in sick? But that couldn't be the case because why would they print off enough copies of the Hebrew language one just for the benefit of the interrogators to have the confession in their native language. Does the office only have one copy machine? Did they mistakenly use the last source of the palestianian language confession on a kid and didn't make a copy of it, white out his name and confession and print some more out.

I think some of the kids are being troublesome and lying to the watch dogs to generate sympathy, unless someone can explain to me how it went down.

Virutally all signs in Israel are in both Hebrew and Arabic,virtually none in English,despte the fact that Israel has a large English speaking population.

Just sayin'.

The people of Palestine aren't apes any more than the indigenous people of North America are apes, or the indigenous people of Hawaii are apes, or Australia, New Zealand, etc. You're equating opposition to extermination with apedom.

WTF?

They do subjugate women,religious minorities and sexual minorities,no real leftist would excuse that,but fake leftists do when it comes to Palestinians.

Your dishonesty is nauseating, you fucking liar. The experience of reading the words of a worthless slimeball like you is like stepping in fresh dogshit.

Don't blow a gasket dude,go to Maggie's Whorehouse.

Good god CR, you really are the piece of shit I thought you always were.

I think this world needs more people like him.

[GanjaFreebird]

The US government has committed crimes that are terrorist in nature, too, as well as the Israeli government. It's easy to call it terrorism when it's done to you but not when your own government does it.

When was the last time a Jew or an American bombed a bus or a restaurant full of innocent Arab civilians, women and children, or did anything that actually targeted innocent people to accomplish political goals?

[GanjaFreebird]

Guido,you have become the same kind of buffoon that Snouter is.

Except ,Snouter knows he's a buffoon and doesn't care,you don't even know that you are a buffoon.

[kellyb]

They do subjugate women,religious minorities and sexual minorities,no real leftist would excuse that,but fake leftists do when it comes to Palestinians.

Religious minorities? Palestinian Christians overwhelmingly say it's the gov of Israel that's their problem, not Muslim Palestinians. The Palestinian Christians feel like they're being herded onto reservations like the Native Americans were here.

[kellyb]

When was the last time a Jew or an American bombed a bus or a restaurant full of innocent Arab civilians, women and children, or did anything that actually targeted innocent people to accomplish political goals?

We target medical workers and funerals with drones fairly regularly. We're also assassinating Iranian scientists. We've supported more military coups than can be counted and supported regimes that torture and kill.

[GanjaFreebird]

You're all uptight and tense Guido,that's why you are so hostile,go to Maggie's Whorehouse,they might be able to loosen you up.

He's been very stressed out lately, I think it might be because he's starting to question his anti-zionism.

Virutally all signs in Israel are in both Hebrew and Arabic,virtually none in English,despte the fact that Israel has a large English speaking population.

That's not quite true, actually, most of them have English too, under Hebrew and Arabic. Also, most Palestinians who are my age and older know Hebrew very well, many Israeli Jews know Arabic very well, and in Israel, pretty much everybody speaks English, some are better than others, but very few people don't know it at all.

They do subjugate women,religious minorities and sexual minorities,no real leftist would excuse that,but fake leftists do when it comes to Palestinians.

I always wanted to know why, what's up with that hypocrisy.

I think this world needs more people like him.

[GanjaFreebird]

Religious minorities? Palestinian Christians overwhelmingly say it's the gov of Israel that's their problem, not Muslim Palestinians. The Palestinian Christians feel like they're being herded onto reservations like the Native Americans were here.

Excuse me, but I'm actually from there, I've met plenty of Christian Arabs in Israel and in America, VERY FEW of them were critical of Israel, and if anything, they would tell me "I'm a Palestinian, but don't be afraid, we are with you against Hamas and Fatah, those guys are terrorists and they hurt us more than anything", and that "we want to live in peace with the Jews, Hamas is forcing this war on us and it's hurting us all".

So I call BULLSHIT.

We target medical workers and funerals with drones fairly regularly.

Really?

We're also assassinating Iranian scientists

GREAT, they are not innocent, if you are working to provide those monsters with nukes, you deserve to die, that's simple.

. We've supported more military coups than can be counted and supported regimes that torture and kill.

That's still not terrorism. Besides, the US is a world superpower and we have to accept that, while Hamas is still a terrorist gang and we can humiliate and destroy them, simply because we can...even if we ALREADY do have too many terrorists that we CAN'T do anything about, we can still do something about those that we CAN destroy.

[kellyb]

Excuse me, but I'm actually from there, I've met plenty of Christian Arabs in Israel and in America

I know Christian Palestinians in occupied Palestine,and their perspective is apparently different.

Really?

Really.

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/05/u_s_..._and_mourners/

The CIA’s drone campaign in Pakistan has killed dozens of civilians who had gone to help rescue victims or were attending funerals, an investigation by the Bureau for the Sunday Times has revealed.

GREAT, they are not innocent, if you are working to provide those monsters with nukes, you deserve to die, that's simple

The evidence indicates that they're just working on nuclear POWER, for ELECTRICITY.

Besides, the US is a world superpower and we have to accept that, while Hamas is still a terrorist gang

So superpowers by definition can't be terrorist?

[GanjaFreebird]

I know Christian Palestinians in occupied Palestine,and their perspective is apparently different.

I've known Christian and Muslim Palestinians who had Hamas members come to their door and tell them that if they don't participate in terrorism, they will murder their families. What do you have to say about THAT?

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/05/u_s_..._and_mourners/

Things like that happen during war.

The evidence indicates that they're just working on nuclear POWER, for ELECTRICITY.

And you STILL believe in Santa too?

So superpowers by definition can't be terrorist?

It doesn't matter, you can't do anything about them, while when it comes to terrorist gangs, they can still be destroyed.

[Truth Teller]

Go lube your tractor, you inane redneck.

Most Palestinians aren't terrorists or supporters of terrorism.

Hamas is a terrorist group.

Not even all Western countries consider Hamas a terrorist organization.

Anyone who thinks Hamas is not a terrorist organization is fucking stupid.

He's been very stressed out lately, I think it might be because he's starting to question his anti-zionism.

Maybe his wife wants she and him to move to a kibbutz?

That's not quite true, actually, most of them have English too, under Hebrew and Arabic.

That's not what I've been told,then again, I haven't spoken to anyone who has been to Israel in a few yeras.

I always wanted to know why, what's up with that hypocrisy.

I think they romanticize the Palestinians and thereby romanticize what they regard as "The Palestinian struggle".

Just like some lefties in the US made excuses for Fidel Castro's abuses because they romanticzed the Cuban revolution,well,I didn't.

In fact ,Allen Ginsberg admitted he that he romanticzed Castro's revovlution until he went to Cuba and found it be very repressive and (in his case)incredibly homophobic.

I know Christian Palestinians in occupied Palestine,and their perspective is apparently different.

Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian Christian.

Just sayin'.

[GanjaFreebird]

Hamas is a terrorist group.

Hell, even Cat Stevens said so and couldn't believe people really thought he supported them, despite the fact that he's a very religious Muslim who supports the Palestinian cause and has major problems with the Israeli gov't.

Anyone who thinks Hamas is not a terrorist organization is fucking stupid.

Maybe his wife wants she and him to move to a kibbutz?

That, or maybe Vladik Putin is coming to Texas.

That's not what I've been told,then again, I haven't spoken to anyone who has been to Israel in a few yeras.

I admit that there are more Hebrew and Arabic signs, but English signs are everywhere too.

I think they romanticize the Palestinians and thereby romanticize what they regard as "The Palestinian struggle".

But people who sincerely care about the Palestinians (such as Jesse Jackson, for example) would rather discourage them from using violence, terrorism and abuse of their own people, and support 2-state solutions, rather than try to inspire the Palestinians to continue behaving like that and get absolutely nothing besides more and more ass kicking.

Just like some lefties in the US made excuses for Fidel Castro's abuses because they romanticzed the Cuban revolution,well,I didn't.

Right, well, there's two differences:

1. Castro and the Cuban gov't are mostly evil, but there are a FEW good things about them, here and there.

2. Most Cubans don't and have never supported those criminals anyways.

In fact ,Allen Ginsberg admitted he that he romanticzed Castro's revovlution until he went to Cuba and found it be very repressive and (in his case)incredibly homophobic.

And Cuba is probably a liberal gay-friendly heaven compared to Gaza.

Sirhan Sirhan was a Palestinian Christian.

Just sayin'.

EXACTLY, the Palestinians don't always turn into angels when they convert to Christianity, just like anybody else, and obviously their main problem is the culture, rather than the religion itself, whatever it is.

However, some Palestinian ex-terrorists DID sincerely change when they converted to Christianity, and in fact, became a voice against Palestinian terrorism and other evil behavior.

[kellyb]

I've known Christian and Muslim Palestinians who had Hamas members come to their door and tell them that if they don't participate in terrorism, they will murder their families. What do you have to say about THAT?

If it's true, it's terrible, although I'm not sure if it's true.

Things like that happen during war.

That's no excuse.

And you STILL believe in Santa too?

Quote from the IAEA director:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...-fanatics.html

I have seen the Iranians ready to accept putting a cap on their enrichment [program] in terms of tens of centrifuges, and then in terms of hundreds of centrifuges. But nobody even tried to engage them on these offers. Now Iran has 5,000 centrifuges. The line was, "Iran will buckle under pressure." But this issue has become so ingrained in the Iranian soul as a matter of national pride.

This is about a long-planned regime change, not a nuclear threat.

It doesn't matter, you can't do anything about them,

We can stop apologizing for war crimes, human rights violations, etc and stop supporting it.

[GanjaFreebird]

If it's true, it's terrible, although I'm not sure if it's true.

It's VERY true, and from my recent visit to Israel, I found out even more, which is something you should know:

The reason why Hamas was elected in Gaza with such a GREAT majority was because they threatened those who didn't vote for them with death, they would go house to house and make sure to tell everybody to watch out for themselves and their families if they don't vote for them. This IS the ugly truth about the Palestinians and their "leaders", and too many Arabs have told me, my relatives and friends all of that, it can't be wrong.

Of course, it adds to the pro-Palestinian argument that most of them may NOT be all that evil, as many didn't REALLY want to vote/support Hamas, but it does add to my argument that Hamas and other terrorists are the MAIN problem in the conflict, and they are responsible for ALL of the innocent people who die and get hurt, both Jewish and Arab, in the end of the day, and if anything, their crimes against THEIR OWN people are possibly EVEN WORSE than their crimes against innocent Israelis.

[GanjaFreebird]

That's no excuse.

Nobody said war was good, but things like that happen, what are we going to do about it.

Quote from the IAEA director:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...-fanatics.html

I have seen the Iranians ready to accept putting a cap on their enrichment [program] in terms of tens of centrifuges, and then in terms of hundreds of centrifuges. But nobody even tried to engage them on these offers. Now Iran has 5,000 centrifuges. The line was, "Iran will buckle under pressure." But this issue has become so ingrained in the Iranian soul as a matter of national pride.

I'm sure a guy with a name like "Mohamed ElBaradei" cannot POSSIBLY be biased towards Iran or against Israel's or America's security.

We can stop apologizing for war crimes, human rights violations, etc and stop supporting it.

I will, as soon as they will recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state in peace and security within a 2-state solution. But as long as they want to destroy me and my people in Israel, I will continue to support anything that possibly hurts them, that's just life.

[kellyb]

It's VERY true, and from my recent visit to Israel, I found out even more, which is something you should know:

The reason why Hamas was elected in Gaza with such a GREAT majority was because they threatened those who didn't vote for them with death, they would go house to house and make sure to tell everybody to watch out for themselves and their families if they don't vote for them. This IS the ugly truth about the Palestinians and their "leaders", and too many Arabs have told me, my relatives and friends all of that, it can't be wrong.

Of course, it adds to the pro-Palestinian argument that most of them may NOT be all that evil, as many didn't REALLY want to vote/support Hamas, but it does add to my argument that Hamas and other terrorists are the MAIN problem in the conflict, and they are responsible for ALL of the innocent people who die and get hurt, both Jewish and Arab, in the end of the day, and if anything, their crimes against THEIR OWN people are possibly EVEN WORSE than their crimes against innocent Israelis.

Actually, it was around 2004 when I was talking to Palestinian Christians, so my anecdotal experience doesn't necessarily conflict with what you're saying.

[GanjaFreebird]

Actually, it was around 2004 when I was talking to Palestinian Christians, so my anecdotal experience doesn't necessarily conflict with what you're saying.

Right.

[Guido]

Guido,you have become the same kind of buffoon that Snouter is.

Except ,Snouter knows he's a buffoon and doesn't care,you don't even know that you are a buffoon.

Never thought I'd live to see someone who is actually too fucking stupid to participate in an Internet discussion forum populated by retards, morons, frauds, phonies and losers, but you really are too fucking stupid to participate. You're about the dumbest fucking excuse for a human being I've ever encountered.

[GanjaFreebird]

Never thought I'd live to see someone who is actually too fucking stupid to participate in an Internet discussion forum populated by retards, morons, frauds, phonies and losers, but you really are too fucking stupid to participate. You're about the dumbest fucking excuse for a human being I've ever encountered.

You seem to be very upset lately, seriously what's the problem? I understand that you disagree with his political opinions, but why do you have to act like such an asshole? Seriously?

[Cyclone Ranger]

Religious minorities? Palestinian Christians overwhelmingly say it's the gov of Israel that's their problem, not Muslim Palestinians. The Palestinian Christians feel like they're being herded onto reservations like the Native Americans were here.

Don't see the evidence of that.

[Cyclone Ranger]

Anyone who thinks Hamas is not a terrorist organization is fucking stupid.

Anyone who thinks an organization that specializes in orchestrating suicide bombings is not a terrorist group is simply denying reality.