Witness: teen Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and beat him as Zimmerman cried for help

[hadit]

No, I wouldn't. I've said a number of times in several threads that I wish Jackson and the NBPP and the people trying to whoop up ethnic divisions would shut their pie holes. I see that problem, and I agree with you. But the conservatives came out swinging on the attack against a teenage boy who got gunned down by a psycho while walking home from the store. Why the attacks on this kid? Has nothing to do with Sharpton.

I do agree that attacking the kid without knowing him is wrong. Attacking Zimmerman as a psycho without knowing him isn't right either.

[Rapier]

Seems pretty obvious the teenager took it upon himself to kick the crap out of, or worse, a non black dude.

[antiquity]

No, I wouldn't. I've said a number of times in several threads that I wish Jackson and the NBPP and the people trying to whoop up ethnic divisions would shut their pie holes. I see that problem, and I agree with you. But the conservatives came out swinging on the attack against a teenage boy who got gunned down by a psycho while walking home from the store. Why the attacks on this kid? Has nothing to do with Sharpton.

No bias in this statement, seems Boo has made up his mind, so move along to another topic.

[BooRadley]

No bias in this statement, seems Boo has made up his mind, so move along to another topic.

I didn't make up my mind that a court should find him guilty, I only made up my mind that the guy's a fuckup. If there isn't evidence to convict, then he's a fuckup who should walk, though.

The guy has restraining orders from multiple women for multiple acts of domestic violence, plus he was stalking an unarmed kid for no reason, started a conflict, then couldn't (or wouldn't) walk it down. He calls the cops like 10 times a month. He's a fucking dick. You can't have credentials like wife beating and stalking and not expect to be judged as an asshole.

[Vader]

Thug? Back that up with something other than your belief that he attacked Zimmerman without cause. Eye-witness testimony has in NO way substantiated that the attack was unprovoked. Where did you get that from?

There were witnesses that stated they saw Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. They also stated that the situation was initiated by Trayvon. There is the 911 call wherein Zimmerman called for help during the attack. This evidence is very telling.

As to the thug comment, there is the gang-banger pose who pulled in prison orange. The gang signs he was throwing out are marks of a gang-banger and that makes him a thug. He chose to portray that image; therefore, it leads people to believe that is who he was.

I never saw these broadcasts but I'll take your word for it, despite the fact that your word is not that solid considering you've already decided her son is a thug.
I will say this - someone whose son has just been shot and killed is going to be hysterical - to expect anything else is unwise.

I agree its a shame that this sort of content gets broadcast, but the media is like that. 'Made you look!' is their game.

M

Don't doubt my word based on the tattlings of the republican morons on this site. All of them combined do not have the IQ of a tennis shoe.

As to the media, yeah, I know, many of them are useless turds in need of termination of employment.

[Malcolm Wright]

There were witnesses that stated they saw Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. They also stated that the situation was initiated by Trayvon. There is the 911 call wherein Zimmerman called for help during the attack. This evidence is very telling.

You don't seem to be familiar enough with the materials.
We don't know who called for help during the attack. That is a subject of controversy right now, with no way of knowing with certainty one way or another.

There have been no eye witnesses to the beginning of the physical altercation and nobody has pronounced themselves on who initiated the attack. If I am missing some important testimony that supports what you are saying, please present it. That is the only way forward with our conversation.

M

[Rapier]

There were witnesses that stated they saw Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. They also stated that the situation was initiated by Trayvon. There is the 911 call wherein Zimmerman called for help during the attack. This evidence is very telling.

As to the thug comment, there is the gang-banger pose who pulled in prison orange. The gang signs he was throwing out are marks of a gang-banger and that makes him a thug. He chose to portray that image; therefore, it leads people to believe that is who he was.



Don't doubt my word based on the tattlings of the republican morons on this site. All of them combined do not have the IQ of a tennis shoe.

As to the media, yeah, I know, many of them are useless turds in need of termination of employment.

The media is dismantling America into another USSR. This is merely another sentence. Any position the media takes you can be sure it's a lie that is anti middle class America.


Pitting Americans against each other. It's what they do. Wake TFU.

[Vader]

You don't seem to be familiar enough with the materials.
We don't know who called for help during the attack. That is a subject of controversy right now, with no way of knowing with certainty one way or another.

There have been no eye witnesses to the beginning of the physical altercation and nobody has pronounced themselves on who initiated the attack. If I am missing some important testimony that supports what you are saying, please present it. That is the only way forward with our conversation.

M

I sense you're keeping the faith there pal. Trayvon had no buisness attacking Zimmerman. Zimmerman is legal entitled to defend himself. The "Stand Your Ground" law allows such use of force in defense of life and limb.

If it turns out that Zimmerman was "stocking" Trayvon then it doesn't apply; however, if the DA doesn't have the evidence to prove stalking; then the use of force is justified. Also Zimmerman is the leader of the Neighborhood Watch; as such, his actions are not out of line. Therefore, if the physicial attack was instigated by Trayvon, the shooting is legal under the aforementioned law.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Wow. I need to look into that. I hope there's more to it than that. Florida is run by a bunch of Old Dixie hicks and they fuck up a lot, but that's too much, even for them.

From what I'm reading about the Florida law, the burden of proof is on the prosecution if the defense is "Stand Your Ground". The state must prove that there was no threat. That's quite a burden of proof.

Worse yet, this defense can be used to excuse killings resulting from bar fights, workplace disagreements and road rage incidents.

Gee, what could possibly go wrong? Those possibilities are endless, up to an including, as I've mentioned, murder for hire.

[jwreck]

From what I'm reading about the Florida law, the burden of proof is on the prosecution if the defense is "Stand Your Ground". The state must prove that there was no threat. That's quite a burden of proof.

Worse yet, this defense can be used to excuse killings resulting from bar fights, workplace disagreements and road rage incidents.

Gee, what could possibly go wrong? Those possibilities are endless, up to an including, as I've mentioned, murder for hire.

Maybe people should be polite to each other. You'd think if a fight can end in your death you'd be less likely to fight.

[Chachma v'Oz]

If people thought before they acted, we wouldn't need as many prisons.

[antiquity]

Or war!

[Chachma v'Oz]

We already don't need as many wars.

[Pho King]

I didn't make up my mind that a court should find him guilty, I only made up my mind that the guy's a fuckup. If there isn't evidence to convict, then he's a fuckup who should walk, though.

The guy has restraining orders from multiple women for multiple acts of domestic violence, plus he was stalking an unarmed kid for no reason, started a conflict, then couldn't (or wouldn't) walk it down. He calls the cops like 10 times a month. He's a fucking dick. You can't have credentials like wife beating and stalking and not expect to be judged as an asshole.

So, you say you haven't made up your mind that a court should find him guilty, just that he is a wife beater, that he had "restraining orders from multiple women", was stalking an unarmed kid for no reason, and started the conflict. i have found only one restraining order. And Zimmerman got a restraining order against her as well. Which certainly does not add up to "wife beating", unless you really have already made up your mind. Don't let facts affect your verdict Boo. just go with your gut.

[BooRadley]

So, you say you haven't made up your mind that a court should find him guilty, just that he is a wife beater, that he had "restraining orders from multiple women", was stalking an unarmed kid for no reason, and started the conflict. i have found only one restraining order. And Zimmerman got a restraining order against her as well. Which certainly does not add up to "wife beating", unless you really have already made up your mind. Don't let facts affect your verdict Boo. just go with your gut.

Thank god phool's back. We were almost running out of pointless bullshit.

[Pho King]

Thank god phool's back. We were almost running out of pointless bullshit.

dear Boo, what I was pointing out is that you never run out of phocking bullshit. Such as your absurd conclusion that Zimmerman is a wife beater, the evidence of which are his imaginary "restraining orders from multiple women for multiple acts of domestic violence."

[jwreck]

Thank god phool's back. We were almost running out of pointless bullshit.

Nah, Larry's still around.

[Vader]

Interesting development.

In my opinion this does not change the fact that the police displayed racist judgement by not arresting Zimmerman.
Signs of a struggle do not in any way confirm any truth to Zimmerman's version of the story, and neither does the testimony, in the sense that we still don't know all of what Zimmerman did for the situation to reach the point of physical struggle.

We do know that he stalked the kid, at night - enough to make anyone - let alone a kid- consider they might be in danger.

Zimmerman may have pulled his gun on Trayvon before the altercation got physical. Nothing corroborates Zimmerman's claim that he had started to return to his vehicle before the struggle started.

The fact remains that the police quite simply took his word for it and said 'off you go, you're free'.

Asides from being poorly written, the article is WAY out of line to suggest this witness somehow does anything to explain why the police did not arrest Zimmerman.

M

No. WRONG.

Zimmerman had injuries consistant with a beating. His release had NOTHING to do with his word. His story was CONSISTANT with the evidence at the scene. As much as the racist asshats are trying to play this off as a hate crime, IT IS NOT.

Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch; he regularly walked those streets. He was attacked by Treyvon; that much is clear. As such, the law says the shooting was justified.

[Malcolm Wright]

dear Boo, what I was pointing out is that you never run out of phocking bullshit. Such as your absurd conclusion that Zimmerman is a wife beater, the evidence of which are his imaginary "restraining orders from multiple women for multiple acts of domestic violence."

Although its not rock solid, such a conclusion would be FAR from absurd. The restraining order and his being fired from his security job for sudden, excessive violence actually makes that conclusion more likely to be right than not.

M.

[Malcolm Wright]

No. WRONG.

Zimmerman had injuries consistant with a beating. His release had NOTHING to do with his word. His story was CONSISTANT with the evidence at the scene. As much as the racist asshats are trying to play this off as a hate crime, IT IS NOT.

Zimmerman was part of the neighborhood watch; he regularly walked those streets. He was attacked by Treyvon; that much is clear. As such, the law says the shooting was justified.

I never said it was a hate crime. Try debating what I say when responding to me.

It is clear that Zimmerman sustained injuries in a struggle with Martin. That does not allow you to conclude that Martin was the aggressor. At this stage nobody knows who started that fight. The more you say you know this, the more you sound like a thick fool. Don't feel insulted: you have the option to sound otherwise. Just stop asserting what you don't know.

M