Pelosi: Obamacare Allows You to Quit Your Job and Become 'Whatever'

[GanjaFreebird]

Zordar:

I agree, they're great. In fact, I happen to be one.

You're a full-time artist yourself?

That doesn't mean the left's desire to see every adult child "find themselves" is realistic or healthy.

Well, you have to be pretty good at what you do, at the very least, to be able to survive, so yeah, this is not for everybody, indeed.

Anybody with half a brain who applies themselves can get a decent job; a very tiny minority of people who try to make a living as artists, entertainers, or athletes succeed. Sorry, but it's just not a club everybody has the talent or discipline to join.

I agree.

[GanjaFreebird]

Then fuck most Americans.

Ok, then move somewhere else if you don't like it here, what's the problem? If I disliked most of the population in a country, I wouldn't live there anyways.

[Pho King]

Pho this is where you fall into cluelessness again. Premiums for people who have lost jobs or don't have employer health insurance can be upwards of $500/800/month. Most people who are between jobs or who are middle class can't afford this.

sounds like its time to either sell those assets or gamble on not getting sick. But it sure doesn't sound like a reason to force others in a better position to rescue you.

My point being that this "crisis" concerning health insurance is a crisis faced by very few people.

[Lulu]

sounds like its time to either sell those assets or gamble on not getting sick. But it sure doesn't sound like a reason to force others in a better position to rescue you.

Again I feel like I'm giving a primer here. Most people do gamble on not being sick... but if they are in an accident or have major illness, that's when they lose everything. And no one is being rescued, despite your typical condescending perspective. Anyone can lose their job at any time in this economy, hate to tell you.. and they won't be able to afford the premiums on their own right now.

[Pho King]

Again I feel like I'm giving a primer here. Most people do gamble on not being sick... but if they are in an accident or have major illness, that's when they lose everything. And no one is being rescued, despite your typical condescending perspective. Anyone can lose their job at any time in this economy, hate to tell you.. and they won't be able to afford the premiums on their own right now.

What about those assets you spoke of previously? Why can they not be liquidated? If I was starving, but owned a watch, I'd damn sure sell that watch.

I am aware of how the lack of health insurance can set someone back financially. i am also well aware of how the lack of health insurance can help people move ahead.

[Lulu]

What about those assets you spoke of previously? Why can they not be liquidated? If I was starving, but owned a watch, I'd damn sure sell that watch.

I am aware of how the lack of health insurance can set someone back financially. i am also well aware of how the lack of health insurance can help people move ahead.

A house? Savings? We are obviously not talking about a nice watch that can be pawned here. We are talking middle class with some assets. They aren't starving... no one said they were but they are the ones who lose their hard earned assets if there are huge medical expenses. And didn't you say you worked in insurance? I don't think you have the ability to look at the health insurance shakedown reasonably because it's all viewed from the standpoint of saving the insurance company money and making a profit from that side.

[Pho King]

A house? Savings? We are obviously not talking about a nice watch that can be pawned here. We are talking middle class with some assets. They aren't starving... no one said they were but they are the ones who lose their hard earned assets if there are huge medical expenses. And didn't you say you worked in insurance? I don't think you have the ability to look at the health insurance shakedown reasonably because it's all viewed from the standpoint of saving the insurance company money and making a profit from that side.

Yes. The house and savings are assets of the very nature that a watch is.

Dont get me wrong- I dont like insurance companies. But I like even less the prospect of being forced to subsidize a starving artist because they have chosen not to help themselves. Or a homeowner whose finances should have taken into account the prospect of a job loss. Or the deadbeat with a nice watch.

[DngrMse]

Pelosi's plastic surgery makes her look kinda gross. Almost like a pre-op transexual of some kind.

Her skin is now indistinguishable from Rich Corinthian Leather. She paid extra for that.

[Vader]

Nothing wrong with artists, musicians and writers, they perform a valuable service to society. For the life of me, I can't figure out why this made soylentgreen so hysterical.

He's a republizombie. He cannot handle the idea of money being spent to help the citizens of this country. If the money were going to bail out big business, he would be all for it.

[soylentgreen]

He's a republizombie. He cannot handle the idea of money being spent to help the citizens of this country. If the money were going to bail out big business, he would be all for it.

Of course, once again, you're totally and completely wrong. I did not support any bailouts for any big businesses...nor do I support "corporate welfare". Try again, bitch!

[soylentgreen]

Nothing wrong with artists, musicians and writers, they perform a valuable service to society. For the life of me, I can't figure out why this made soylentgreen so hysterical.

I completely agree that some artists, musicians, and writers add value to our society...but 99.999% don't. Calling yourself an artist does not make you interesting...or talented.

Most of these people are pusuing a dream and want to do it at the expense of others. That's the part I have a problem with. Hey, I have an idea! Want to be an "artist"? "Poet"? How about work a normal job during the day to pay your bills and work on your craft on the evenings/weekends?

A "successful" artist can support him/herself doing their art full-time. Most can not.

[hadit]

He's a republizombie. He cannot handle the idea of money being spent to help the citizens of this country. If the money were going to bail out big business, he would be all for it.

The macros have spoken!! Truth means nothing and dissent will NOT be tolerated!!!

[optimus]

I completely agree that some artists, musicians, and writers add value to our society...but 99.999% don't. Calling yourself an artist does not make you interesting...or talented.

Most of these people are pusuing a dream and want to do it at the expense of others. That's the part I have a problem with. Hey, I have an idea! Want to be an "artist"? "Poet"? How about work a normal job during the day to pay your bills and work on your craft on the evenings/weekends?

A "successful" artist can support him/herself doing their art full-time. Most can not.

I don't understand who these people are that you speak of...the ones pursuing their dream at the expense of others. How is that even possible anyway?

[soylentgreen]

I don't understand who these people are that you speak of...the ones pursuing their dream at the expense of others. How is that even possible anyway?

If I misunderstand, please correct me. Pelosi says Obamacare will give the "whatevers" of our society the ability to get medical coverage. This is possible because we're going to force everyone to buy insurance at the point of a gun...including the "whatevers". Correct? So, in essence, people who don't want (or think they need) insurance will subsidize the "whatevers". Yes?

[Freedom&Liberty]

Ok, then move somewhere else if you don't like it here, what's the problem? If I disliked most of the population in a country, I wouldn't live there anyways.

You have to accept the fact that you're going to have to die to help heal the nation. It'll be the best thing you ever did for your country. Thanks.

[optimus]

If I misunderstand, please correct me. Pelosi says Obamacare will give the "whatevers" of our society the ability to get medical coverage. This is possible because we're going to force everyone to buy insurance at the point of a gun...including the "whatevers". Correct? So, in essence, people who don't want (or think they need) insurance will subsidize the "whatevers". Yes?

They just want healthcare to be more accessible to people who have historically had a hard time getting and paying for it, self employed freelancers, photographers, writers, artists, etc. To me that's a positive thing. A person's worthiness for health insurance is not determined by their chosen profession.

Everybody should have health insurance in this country. I don't give a fuck if some republican scumbags don't like it. (Not you specifically.)

[antiquity]

You have to accept the fact that you're going to have to die to help heal the nation. It'll be the best thing you ever did for your country. Thanks.

His country is Israel!

[Pho King]

They just want healthcare to be more accessible to people who have historically had a hard time getting and paying for it, self employed freelancers, photographers, writers, artists, etc. To me that's a positive thing.

Everybody should have health insurance in this country. I don't give a fuck if some republican scumbags don't like it. (Not you specifically.)

And what do you do with people that have little or no fruits to show for their labor? Those self-employed "freelancers" (freeloaders?) that would rather paint and play the day away than get a job that pays all of their bills? Ahhh yes. Those of us that do not entertain such flights of fancy should pay their way, or at least a healthy chunk of it. Got it. But don't be surprised when the makers get a bit mindful of the takers. Its a natural reaction.

[Dinar Agapova]

i think a state insurance is comunism i hate comunism it is why im not a cuban cigar smoker and why i hate china and why i live in America

[Pho King]

The strange thing is, healthcare insurance is just as accessible to the unemployed musician as to the accountant. the real difference? The accountant makes money for her work product,