Apparently the "What Do We Want? WE DON'T KNOW! When Do We Want It? NOW!!!" crowd is venturing back out from its mothers' basement, now that the first day of spring is here. And they are predictably falling all over themselves, trying and failing to pretend that their lawbreaking and provocation is all the police's fault.
The circus is starting again. Hurra, hurra, step right up and see!
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Criminal Stupidity
It's spring, and "Occupy Wall Street" is back.
by JAMES TARANTO
Winter is over, and the elite liberal media's favorite "populist movement" is back. The New York Times reports that Saturday saw the year's "first major conflict between the Occupy Wall Street movement and the New York Police Department." Cops arrested 76 protesters, most of them for defying orders to leave Zuccotti Park, a small plaza in a largely residential area of downtown New York, after it closed for the night.
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In short Twitter messages, protesters coordinate activities and warn others of law-enforcement efforts. In doing so, prosecutors believe some have revealed an intent to break the law. . . . In the prosecution of another protester named Malcolm Harris arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge, Assistant District Attorney Lee Langston outlined why a tweet would be helpful. Mr. Langston wrote in a court filing that Mr. Harris's tweets "made clear . . . that he was well aware of the police instructions that day, and acted with the intent of obstructing traffic on the bridge."
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These people may be tech-savvy, but they're so street-dumb that it apparently didn't occur to them not to post incriminating statements all over the Internet. A further irony is that the claims of "entrapment" are not only false but inverted. The lawbreaking "protesters" evidently sought to provoke arrests, which they then claimed were unjustified.
(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
"The social contract exists so that everyone doesn’t have to squat in the dust holding a spear to protect his woman and his meat all day every day. It does not exist so that the government can take your spear, your meat, and your woman because it knows better what to do with them." - Instapundit.com
New Haven wants to kick their asses out but some stupid liberal Judge told them they can stay until they get a hearing or something like that. I personally was praying for a major snow storm to dump 5 feet of snow on their greasy heads. Guess that won't be happening now that speing is here. I'm all for freedom of speech but this camping out shit has to go.
I like how obsessive DA right-wingers get about OWS.
Show us not the aim without the way, for ends and means on earth are so entangled
That changing one, you change the other too; each different path brings other ends in view
Let the stink begin.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
Well well, we should be treated to a fine display of the superior brown power possessed by progs, according to Chachma
So the Occupiers are returning for more random acts of destruction? Great. They do the leftists proud.
queenlillian1962 (03-24-2012)
The best gift democrats could give to the Republicans.
The ambassador died, Obama lied.
New Haven Ow's:Originally Posted by Archaix
They make the green look like shit.
It's dangerous in and around these camps.A woman was raped not to long ago in a tent in the camp.
They look like they haven't showered in a year.
They are accomplishing nothing except keeping themselves unemployed.
They are costing a city that doesn't have any extra money what little resources it has.
So if wanting them gone is your Idea of obsessive fine with me.
Is this a racial slur I'm not familiar with?
I doubt you know for sure whether that woman was attacked by Occupiers or not. A lot of crimes attributed to camps, I discovered last year, were either committed by common criminals (not Occupiers), actually happened nearby, were provoked in the first place by right-wingers looking for trouble, or were non-stories embellished by the conservative blogosphere.
In any case, these camps don't advocate rape and try to tackle it, so I doubt you can claim leftists are rapists.
Statistics consistently show most Occupiers are employed, and also: who're you to tell them they're accomplishing nothing? Shame on you.
Not nearly as much as free trade conservatives are costing the nation.Anyway, you're not primarily concerned with how much it costs, just that it offends you.
Wanting them gone isn't obsessive, posting disparaging threads every other day is. A word of advice: it looks a bit much like overcompensation.
Show us not the aim without the way, for ends and means on earth are so entangled
That changing one, you change the other too; each different path brings other ends in view
Pity they didn't take their few months off to bathe, or get jobs, or anything.
Um, that rape is probably part of the statistical norm if you compare it to other rape statistics.
The shower comment is prejudicial and exaggerated and rather identifies you as a dramatic snob.
What is prettier - a green that is merely decorative, or one serving a democratic purpose? Close call in my book, but in yours, an opportunity for more dramatic snobbery?
Actually they've accomplished the education of many people who wish to reform our political and financial systems towards greater accountability. They've also shown those of us who thought the US had lost all spark of resistance that we were mistaken. Apparently we're not going to all stay glued to our screens in our cubicles while our imperialist leadership wreaks havoc at home and abroad.
As for the cost... well if we can't afford protest anymore, we're more than broke: we're broken.
M
Archaix (03-26-2012)
What makes you think it's a racial slur in the first place, are you looking for something to pin on me? They make New Haven Green look like shit is not a racial statement at all. There is no green race on the planet that I know of.
The woman was living in a tent in the middle of the camp and was found unresponsive by a friend the next day so yes it is tied to the camp and they caught the guy who did it.
I find it hard to believe that any of these guys are employed as greasy as they look. Who wants unkempt people to work for them? Seriously city sanitation workers are cleaner. Shame on me? What have they done? What has been accomplished? You tell me cause I don't see it.
Last edited by queenlillian1962; 03-25-2012 at 08:57 PM.
Considering My kids go to school in New Haven and money that could be better used on something else like education is going toward these assholes yes I have a problem with it. IF these guys want to protest day and night fine with me, stand there and protest,go home and come back like every other group does. Last I heard parking my ass on the green in a tent wasn't allowed. If I did that with my kids the cops would have moved me off right away. Last I heard the homeless weren't even allowed to sleep on the benches at night so why do these guys get to break the law? It's not infringment on their rights as nobody is telling them they can't protest, just that they can't LIVE on the green which is not their right. The Green is for ALL the community to enjoy not just the OW's.
Not nearly as much as free trade conservatives are costing the nation.
Wanting them gone isn't obsessive, posting disparaging threads every other day is. A word of advice: it looks a bit much like overcompensation.
Posting disparaging threads every other day? WTF are you talking about? I don't agree with you so everything I post is disparaging? Overcompensating for what? Like the racial slur remark you make no sense as does your argument.
Whether the rape was part of the "norm" or not the fact is it gave the predator a perfect place and opportunity to commit his crime. How he managed in the middle of the camp to rape this woman and nobody heard anything is beyond me. I'm a snob because I think people should wash and groom themselves? Well me and 99% of the population so I guess i'm in good company as nobody wants to be next to someone who stinks. Better yet blame my nose and my love for not spreading germs and disease for my snobbery.
What prettier is a green that serves ALL the people not just a select few. Nobody is telling them they can't protest. What they are saying is other people want to use that space and you tarp city is unlawfully parked there. What could be more democratic then a green that serves all the people?
People can reform the system without living on a public green. As far as spark of resistance the 60's taught us that not the OW's . Some of us prefer to change things in the ballot box, reasonable protest and with laws. If your really committed you can boycott products of companies that offend you; there is more then one way to protest. The fact that droves of us aren't out there like in the 60's says that maybe the majority of people don't agree that things are that bad. We can afford to protest, we can't afford to provide 365 day policing, sanitation or interfere with local business.
You're dancing around the underlying point, which is that you are singling out the Occupy camp because you don't like it, not because a rape happened there.
Rapes happen on college campuses all the time: should they be done away with too? Don't hear you complaining about them... Why not be content with your own dislike of the movement instead of feeling you have to pin extraneous grievances to it?
No, thinking people should wash and groom themselves doesn't make you a snob. Ranting on an internet forum about it in the specific aim of getting those people off the green does make you a snob. I hope this distinction is clear to you.I'm a snob because I think people should wash and groom themselves? Well me and 99% of the population so I guess i'm in good company as nobody wants to be next to someone who stinks. Better yet blame my nose and my love for not spreading germs and disease for my snobbery.
In metropolises we get whiffs of body odor that we don't like - fact of life right? The problem is way better today than it was 20, 50, 100, 200 years ago. Usually, people have the tolerance to suffer a displeasing smell now and then without comment, or even turning up their nose. I know you'd like to hide amongst 99% of the population, but actually very few people rant about the personal hygiene of strangers...
And of course to bring it back to Occupy - as we all know, you're ranting because you don't like it, not because you don't understand that some folks don't wash as often as you do.
The other element of your snobbery was the need to dramatically exaggerate with mentions of people not washing all year.
And of course the most salient comment is: if you don't like the way they smell, don't walk amongst them, my dear Queen. Preserve your delicate nose and cross the street. But for goodness sakes, do so with the good grace becoming of a Queen
Haha!What prettier is a green that serves ALL the people not just a select few. Nobody is telling them they can't protest. What they are saying is other people want to use that space and you tarp city is unlawfully parked there. What could be more democratic then a green that serves all the people?
http://www.occupynewhaven.org/2012/0...complete-bunk/
The organizers of Occupy New Haven are a few steps ahead of your disingenuous arguments. They are occupying less than 10 percent of the green.
Kind of makes one wonder if maybe you like the way they smell, because it would be SO easy to avoid them if you didn't...
See what happens when you indulge in exaggeration?
Its not exactly the highest of evils to occupy the green. If they were terrorists blowing things up, I'd understand if you felt the need to comment that they can change the system without blowing things up... but camping out on less than 10 percent of the green? Dramatize much? I guess that's why there's 'queen' in your screen name.People can reform the system without living on a public green.
I think you don't really grasp how protest actually changes things. The pressure it exerts is directly proportional to how much it disrupts. Change has to be struggled for, and is only conceded by leadership under pressure. When it becomes embarrassingly evident that the goals of a movement are reasonable but the resources the government spends and the tactics it uses against that movement are not - things change. This has always been true. Either you are willing to accept that there is a cost to change, or you're not. You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs, and if you don't like hearing folkloric wisdom of such a basic nature, try preempting it by thinking a little.As far as spark of resistance the 60's taught us that not the OW's . Some of us prefer to change things in the ballot box, reasonable protest and with laws. If your really committed you can boycott products of companies that offend you; there is more then one way to protest. The fact that droves of us aren't out there like in the 60's says that maybe the majority of people don't agree that things are that bad. We can afford to protest, we can't afford to provide 365 day policing, sanitation or interfere with local business.
Actually droves of us ARE out there. The Green of your locality might fool you, but this movement is global.
Perhaps not as many as in the 60's but I wouldn't bet money on that. Since the 60's the power structure has learned ways of minimizing the impact of protest with zoning laws, shrewder policing, more widespread infiltration, separating media from the real events etc... This has to be taken into account when judging our perception today as opposed to in the 60s.
You're right, if you are speaking for yourself in saying that things aren't really so bad. I guess you didn't suffer as bad as some from the recession. I guess you don't really care that we bankrupted the country invading Iraq on false premises, and that the people who lied to us to go out and kill people in foreign lands are not accountable. Things aren't that bad as long as you can tend to your selfish needs and not smell body odor, right? If I'm wrong, prove it with a more aware and enlightened stance. I guess you don't mind that our tax dollars paid for bailouts while executives continued to pay themselves obscene salaries and bonuses. The comparatively paltry cost of dealing with the protest caused by these things is what incenses you - paragon of logic that you are.
Anyway, when the day comes when we REALLY can't afford to deal with the protest, the protest will win some of the goals it is working towards. Until then, I guess we'll have to endure your drama.
M.
Last edited by Malcolm Wright; 03-26-2012 at 05:29 AM.
Archaix (03-26-2012)
...it was a JOKE.I didn't know whether you were referring to a place, the Green Party or something else.
It was no. 5 on your list of problems, right after "they look bad", "camps are dangerous", "they smell bad" and "they're unemployed". I suppose if it were people you agreed with and found sensorially pleasing you wouldn't care at all.
Which is why, according to Mr. Wright here, they're only occupying 10% of it. Since you and your kids and homeless people wouldn't be gathering for a political protest (except to PROTECT TEH GR33N) I suppose the police would have a different procedure and guidelines for the likes of you.
I didn't say you, specifically. I said the DA right post these threads every other day, far more than do the DA left. You're all obsessed, presumably because you think Occupiers have a point or are persuading people away from your bullshit.
I'm glad they have. Those people should have the right to protest without the fear of crime, whether or not fools like you think that they cause it. That's like saying rape victims brought it on themselves by being 'provocative'.
That's because you're a political bigot, though.
Show us not the aim without the way, for ends and means on earth are so entangled
That changing one, you change the other too; each different path brings other ends in view
Malcolm Wright (03-27-2012)
I demand that you put my quote back in your sig. It was the best thing you ever posted.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
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