Last night Frontline on PBS had an incredible story called The Vaccine War.
Lots of illnesess have been all but destroyed due to vaccines,on the other hand many parents with autistic children think that vaccines may have played a part in making their children autistic.
So lots of parents are refusing to have their children vaccinated,as a result many unvaccinated children are now having diseases like Chicken Pox ,which vaccines had long ago eradicated.
Actress Jenny Mc Carthy is the mother of a autistic son, and she says the causes of autism have not really been researched and that they should be.
She says she can't prove her theory that autism can be caused by vaccines,but she says she has evidence suggesting she could be right,and thet the best evidence is her son.
Here's the website/program:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/vaccines/
It is difficult for any decent person to sit back and not comment on the anti-Semitism,racism ,sexism ,and all-around ignorance espoused on the majority of DA's posts,it's fucking sad when one gets a warning for simply being a decent person.
Vaccines haven't ever eradicated chicken pox. (and they probably can't.)So lots of parents are refusing to have their children vaccinated,as a result many unvaccinated children are now having diseases like Chicken Pox ,which vaccines had long ago eradicated.
Andrew Wakefield, the guy who started most of the modern anti-vaccine nonsense, has not only been discredited in the medicine and research community to the point of toxicity, but his research paper that was used to fuel much of the vaccination = autism hysteria was faked.
That being said, there are always trade-offs in medicine, and everything has a side-effect. I personally believe over-vaccination causes more harm than good, and would not vaccinate my kids any more than the minimum recommendation.
They should force parents to vaccinate their children I wish medicine was this good 50 years ago when my son John got small pox
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Now you know why we don't refer to Teller as "Teller the Science Guy!"Originally Posted by kellyb
But believe it or not, I think that a vaccine for Shingles is available. Shingles occurs because Chicken Pox is made dormant by the immune system not completely eradicated. This reminds me of what one of the few intelligent doctors around here once said, the body remembers everything. Probably the most frightening danger of vaccines that is rarely discussed is the possible nerve damage as a result a unwanted autoimmune response.
Autoimmune reactions have been widely discussed.Probably the most frightening danger of vaccines that is rarely discussed is the possible nerve damage as a result a unwanted autoimmune response.
Help me out, Snouter. How should we refer to Truth Teller? I am at a loss.Now you know why we don't refer to Teller as "Teller the Science Guy!"
Stuff like this is what I think's the most frightening:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1482988/
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If the association is causal and acquisition of S. pneumoniae eradicates S. aureus carriage, then use of pneumococcal vaccines may eliminate the “protective” effect of S. pneumoniae against S. aureus carriage and an increase in S. aureus carriage will follow. Increased S. aureus otitis media has been observed among vaccinees in a pneumococcal conjugate vaccine randomized trial (23). Whether the current increase in severe community-acquired S. aureus infections, including methicillin-resistant S. aureus (6), is partially caused by the recent introduction of the pneumococcal conjugate vaccine is yet to be determined.
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They think the Prevnar vaccine might have caused (in part) the super-staph epidemic.
Chicken Pox!?!?!? Oh NOES!!!!
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The same shepherd that protects the flock leads them to the slaughterhouse.
Most other countries aren't using the chickenpox vaccine and don't plan on ever using it because it looks like it's created a shingles epidemic. (naturally circulating chickenpox acts as a sort of natural vaccine against shingles.)
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The same shepherd that protects the flock leads them to the slaughterhouse.
More like they don't want to spend the money on it (see: socialism and spreading misery equally). Zostavax is available for the over-60 crowd, works even better than naturally circulating chickenpox, and is cost-effective.
just on vaccinne and autism
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8268302.stm
i think there is a greater awareness of autism now than 20 or 30 years ago and so this has led to an increase in the numbers of children being autistic rather than previously.Autism rates back MMR jab safety
By Michelle Roberts
Health reporter, BBC News
Latest autism figures should dispel any fears about the MMR jab being linked to the condition, say experts.
The NHS Information Centre found one in every hundred adults living in England has autism, which is identical to the rate in children.
If the vaccine was to blame, autism rates among children should be higher because the MMR has only been available since the early 1990s, the centre says.
This is the first time the rate in adults has been evaluated.
Tim Straughan, chief executive of The NHS Information Centre, said: "This landmark report is the first major study into the prevalence of autism spectrum disorders among adults to be carried out anywhere in the world.
The findings do not support suggestions of a link between the MMR vaccine and the development of this condition
Chief executive of The NHS Information Centre Tim Straughan
"While the sample size was small and any conclusions need to be tempered with caution, the report suggests that, despite popular perceptions, rates of autism are not increasing, with prevalence among adults in line with that among children.
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Absolutely. Kids who are on the low end of the spectrum used to be called "difficult" or "cold" or "distant." Who knows how many autistic kids were just viewed as assholes or lost causes thirty years ago?i think there is a greater awareness of autism now than 20 or 30 years ago and so this has led to an increase in the numbers of children being autistic rather than previously.
Now they are more often than not being diagnosed and given an appropriate intervention plan.
Yeah, cost is part of it, but it's also a natural aversion to not wanting to get hooked on chickenpox shots for life as a population, for more intuitive, hippy-like reason.More like they don't want to spend the money on it (see: socialism and spreading misery equally). Zostavax is available for the over-60 crowd, works even better than naturally circulating chickenpox, and is cost-effective.
The diagnosis of "retardation" basically doesn't exist any more, too. (when it comes to severe autism.) There's been demonstrated "diagnostic substitution" there.
I get what you're saying with that. There is something to be said for avoiding shots when possible. I don't plan on ever getting a flu shot, and probably won't ever get another tetanus shot unless I get a seriously rusty puncture wound -- if there's no pressing need, why do it? On the other hand, going back to what I said about trade-offs, I don't have a problem with MMR and such.
Chickenpox, for me, straddles the line, and is a personal call. I think the vaccine is superior, but is it necessary for a disease that is almost never serious or fatal? I'd probably opt not get it for my own children on "intuition"... only to feel like a total asshole when they got a really horrible, scarring encounter with chickenpox.
Which is a shame, because there are a lot of retards out there who need diagnosing.The diagnosis of "retardation" basically doesn't exist any more, too.
jwreck (03-21-2012)
As for the chicken pox vaccine, complications from the disease start rising in the teen years and beyond.
It is for that reason that my now 17-year old just got the shot about a year ago.
I gave her as much time to get the disease as I could, but once the risk of complications started rising, I gave in and got her the shot.
My 6 and 4-year old kiddos haven't had it and won't until they're teens if they haven't gotten the pox on their own by then.
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I meant amongst infants.
And the program went into that.
Good points.That being said, there are always trade-offs in medicine, and everything has a side-effect. I personally believe over-vaccination causes more harm than good, and would not vaccinate my kids any more than the minimum recommendation.
How about "A child of God"?
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Good points.
Jenny Mc Carthy feels that it's possible that not the vaccinnes per se cause or worsen autism,but that some ingredients in the vaccines do that.
Especially amongst DA's right-wingers.Which is a shame, because there are a lot of retards out there who need diagnosing.
At first I supported Rick Perry (whom I'm no fan of) on the vaccine charge,while Michelle's Bachmann's charges were stupid and unproven ,Sparkly Mary did get me to do a 90 degree turnaround of my initial support for Perry, by explaning to me the complexities of the issue.
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It is difficult for any decent person to sit back and not comment on the anti-Semitism,racism ,sexism ,and all-around ignorance espoused on the majority of DA's posts,it's fucking sad when one gets a warning for simply being a decent person.
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