Vigilante In Florida Kills Unarmed 17 Year Old

[jwreck]

I like the article you posted above - I agree - not too shabby in this moment of mass hysteria.
But I completely disagree with you here. I don't care what track record 911 operators have in terms of being functionally retarded - the fact is that Zimmerman had dialed 911 which at least demonstrates that he believed it was useful to alert them and converse with them. In so doing, he was given advice: very sound advice, from someone he himself had solicited help from.

The fact that he did the opposite of what was advised shows he was not being rational in his approach to the 'suspect'. He did not argue with the 911 operator, he did not protest: he simply did the opposite of what was being advised, so intent was he in his delusion about this guy. It shows he could not be reasoned with in that moment, and goes a long way to proving what Trayvon was up against - an armed man who believed he was guilty of something and who was at least temporarily impervious to reason. Do you really find that irrelevant?

What's more, the advice went straight to the fact that Zimmerman was not an officer of the law, but a neighborhood watch volunteer. The police are very clear on their guidelines: such volunteers should be observers, but never pursue or engage. I don't care what you think about 911 operators in general: the advice they gave was spot on in this instance, and goes to the core cause of Trayvon's death. If Zimmerman had not pursued, an innocent man would be alive. I wish there had been someone you respect more than a 911 operator to offer a way out of this nightmare in the making... but the fact is, someone did offer a way out, and Zimmerman CHOSE to take us to hell anyway.

M

My point was that he is not legally bound to follow the advice of a call taker. Call takers are not "the police" as many have implied. My comment on the intelligence of call takers was merely an aside and based on my own experiences.

[DngrMse]

The portrait coming out of Zimmerman makes him seem very over zealous and a bit delusional. He made 46 '911' calls in 8 years... the operators may have known exactly who this weirdo was when he called in. And he was a "self appointed" head of neighborhood watch. The problem with this stand your guard is it sounds like it's very easily abused. I could shoot someone in the head, claim I was afraid for my life, and the police would have to prove otherwise. I would assume any state with Concealed Carry would have that understanding that force could be used, so why tie cops' hands with some legislation? And Zimmerman probably had a punched nose after he attacked the kid or stalked him and Trayvon put up a fight before he was shot. It's not like Zimmerman was acting in official capacity or had a uniform or anything.




http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...abuse-911.html

I really do have to wonder why this particular case is attracting so much attention. The usual race-baiters are out in force, claiming that blacks are under attack, and threatening retribution...but against who, and why? Obama, per his usual script, weighs in stupidly. Farrakhan threatens violence. Sharpton is down there now stirring up racial bs. Do you people actually want to see an Hispanic/black race war in this country?

Why not take a step back, and let the authorities do their jobs?

[Truth Teller]

Its not cuckoo Larry, its the truth.

You tell 'em Red.

I am pretty sure 99% of the folks here do not believe your bullshit that you know anyone of any race other than your own really.

Fuck you Snouter.

They all look alike. Bada-bing.

Did you get that from your last Klan rally?

I really do have to wonder why this particular case is attracting so much attention.

Slightly built,unarmed 17 year old kid,no criminal record,killed by a vigilante, the police do a toxiology test on the victim but not the shooter,you may not know this DM ,but decent people have an aversion to those kind of things.

Just sayin'.

The usual race-baiters are out in force

Am I the only one who sees irony in this statment?

claiming that blacks are under attack

Well,at least one was.

and threatening retribution

Source?

and why? Obama, per his usual script

Let's see,you don't like liberated women or blacks who don't stay in their palce.

You are a true conservative all right.

Sharpton is down there now stirring up racial bs.

Actually,he has called for non-violence.

Do you people actually want to see an Hispanic/black race war in this country?

That's not going to happen.

Why not take a step back, and let the authorities do their jobs?

Maybe because after one month the authorities had yet to start doing their job.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Uh-oh, trouble in TT land. Damn that witness.

http://www.discussanything.com/forum...cried-for-help

[Lulu]

I realize this now a thread about TT ... however, I don't think that witness account changes anything. But for Zimmerman's actions, Trayvon would be alive today. He followed him, stalked him, he wasn't acting in any official capacity nor wearing any kind of uniform to make him seem like an official. Instead, he seems like a weirdo, he looks like a weirdo, and he was creeping around at night. If Zimmerman came up to me at night, I'd likely spray him in the face with mace and run like hell. I can certainly understand a male hitting him when feeling threatened.

Why is this getting so much attention? Likely a human interest story and a question about the stand your ground law. Why did the Caylee Anthony case get so much media attention? However, it would be nice if just once Sharpton would shut his ass and stay at home rather than making it all about him.

[Truth Teller]

Uh-oh, trouble in TT land. Damn that witness.

http://www.discussanything.com/forum...cried-for-help

No proof that so-called "witness" is credibile",even if he is,no proof that Zimmerman was in serious danger.

I realize this now a thread about TT ...

That means the right-wingers are losing the argument, and they are blaming the messenger because they don't like the message.

however, I don't think that witness account changes anything. But for Zimmerman's actions, Trayvon would be alive today. He followed him, stalked him, he wasn't acting in any official capacity nor wearing any kind of uniform to make him seem like an official. Instead, he seems like a weirdo, he looks like a weirdo, and he was creeping around at night. If Zimmerman came up to me at night, I'd likely spray him in the face with mace and run like hell. I can certainly understand a male hitting him when feeling threatened.

Zimmerman seems to be Barney Fife with more than one bullet.

[Malcolm Wright]

My point was that he is not legally bound to follow the advice of a call taker. Call takers are not "the police" as many have implied. My comment on the intelligence of call takers was merely an aside and based on my own experiences.

Ok fair enough - if there are folks out there who think he was 'legally bound', of course they're wrong. I took issue to your use of the word irrelevant without the further context you have know brought to bear.

However in the context that matters now: that of the court case that will eventually ensue from all this, the court of law will hear arguments from the prosecution concerning the advice he received and ignored, and not even the defense will attempt, if they know what's good for their client, to claim the advice was irrelevant.

M

[DngrMse]

Slightly built,unarmed 17 year old kid,no criminal record,killed by a vigilante, the police do a toxiology test on the victim but not the shooter,you may not know this DM ,but decent people have an aversion to those kind of things.

Just sayin'.

Like so many others of your 'ilk', you seem ready to hang first, and ask questions later. Suddenly, Mr. Manty-Liner would rather forgo that whole due process thing, and see some blood spilled. ASAP. Why's that, you Hitler loving piece of shit?

Am I the only one who sees irony in this statment?

Yes, it's only you.

Source?

Wanted. Dead or Alive. Is that suggestive enough for you? What happened to your queefish whinging about alleged right wing violent imagery? Let me guess....this case is different? In this case it's ok to scream for his blood? Here's some more 'source' for you to ignore, you two-faced bloodthirsty ghoul:

"Muhummud told the group he was not concerned with rumors of death threats to George Zimmerman, “He should be afraid for his life.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...rge-zimmerman/

This is from the New Black Panther Party. You might remember them from 2008, (assuming you weren't out with them, cracking heads with billy clubs. Can't have those damn conservatives voting, right?).

"Progressives Tweet George Zimmerman's Address, Issue Death Threats — 'Ima get a group of *****s to KILL George Zimmerman'"

http://twitchy.com/2012/03/24/spike-...dress-threats/

You seem oddly happy with this turn of events....which you claim to have no knowledge of. Why is that? Did someone break your internet? Turn your news off? It was none other than Spike Lee that tweeted Zimmerman's address. Why would he do that, do you think?

Once upon a time, you had your panties all twisted up in fake outrage because a conservative pol used the word 'targeting' in campaign materials. Are you hyperventilating over all this now, you hypocritical fat freak?

That's all the homework I'm going to do for you. Try searching for Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Barack Obama.

Maybe because after one month the authorities had yet to start doing their job.

So this hasn't been wrapped up in what you consider is a reasonable amount of time, and you're ready to see some blood spilled?

You are a disgusting person.

[DngrMse]

I realize this now a thread about TT ... however, I don't think that witness account changes anything. But for Zimmerman's actions, Trayvon would be alive today. He followed him, stalked him, he wasn't acting in any official capacity nor wearing any kind of uniform to make him seem like an official. Instead, he seems like a weirdo, he looks like a weirdo, and he was creeping around at night. If Zimmerman came up to me at night, I'd likely spray him in the face with mace and run like hell. I can certainly understand a male hitting him when feeling threatened.

Why is this getting so much attention? Likely a human interest story and a question about the stand your ground law. Why did the Caylee Anthony case get so much media attention? However, it would be nice if just once Sharpton would shut his ass and stay at home rather than making it all about him.

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/new...erman-03232012

[BooRadley]

Wanted. Dead or Alive. Is that suggestive enough for you?

Bad choice to publilsh that, but if it came from the kids family, I can understand it. If it were your kid, would you act any more calmly and politely?

Convicting Zimmerman in the press is bad, no doubt. I wouldn't agree that he's guilty without charge, either, but there's definitely merit for this to go to a prosecutor, not just be dropped by the cops.

[Šñøü†ê®]

Fuck you Snouter.

^Can't handle the truth alert!

[DngrMse]

Bad choice to publilsh that, but if it came from the kids family, I can understand it. If it were your kid, would you act any more calmly and politely?

Convicting Zimmerman in the press is bad, no doubt. I wouldn't agree that he's guilty without charge, either, but there's definitely merit for this to go to a prosecutor, not just be dropped by the cops.

Nothing has been dropped by the cops. Some people seem to think this should be wrapped as quickly as a weekly TV crime drama, right after the "Tide Gets Stains Out" commercial. That's not how it works. A certain poster here made issue of the kid being tested for intoxicating substances. That certain poster knows, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that in any autopsy where the cause of death could result in criminal charges, no stone is left unturned. Yet he still tried to make political milk from it.

Why people, like the poster mentioned above, want to see a hispanic/black race war blooming in this country I don't know for certain. I suspect it's because they believe they can turn this into an advantage for Obama in his re-election efforts. How disgusting is that?

[Truth Teller]

now that Al Sharpton and all the other bozos like him are involved

Rich Lowry of the ultra-conservative National Review said he does not like Sharpton or the other protestors,but adds if it weren't wren't for Sharpton and the others, this would be swept under the rug.

Another ultra-conservative ,Pat Buchanan (who has no record of racial sensitivity) has caleld Trayvon Martin quote:"An innocent kid who didn't derserve to die".

Other conservatives can see the forrest for the trees in this,why can't you?

[jwreck]

Rich Lowry of the ultra-conservative National Review said he does not like Sharpton or the other protestors,but adds if it weren't wren't for Sharpton and the others, this would be swept under the rug.

So does that mean if it weren't for Sharpton there'd be no bounty on Zimmerman's head?

Another ultra-conservative ,Pat Buchanan (who has no record of racial sensitivity) has caleld Trayvon Martin quote:"An innocent kid who didn't derserve to die".

Other conservatives can see the forrest for the trees in this,why can't you?

So Pat Buchanan is talking out his ass again. Color me surprised.

Its not a left vs right issue you fucking partisan hack.

[Truth Teller]

The police officer who wrote the report said in it, "I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head."

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.T2yfwmOadTc

And Pat Buchanan (again,as far from a left-winger as you can get) said that could suggest that Zimmerman was the aggressor and that it was Trayvor Martin who was acting in self-defense.

you Hitler loving piece of shit?

Fuck you Nazi,even most of your fellow conservatives are not with you on this.

Yes, it's only you.

No ,it isn't.

Wanted. Dead or Alive. Is that suggestive enough for you?

An isolated vigilante group is not what you were suggesting.

Of course I don't approve of the NBPP,the rest of your bullshit is too stupid (even for you) to dignify with a response.

Let me guess....this case is different? In this case it's ok to scream for his blood?

You're putting words in my mouth that I never said,you asshole.

So this hasn't been wrapped up in what you consider is a reasonable amount of time, and you're ready to see some blood spilled?

You are a disgusting person.

LIAR ALERT!

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/new...erman-03232012

But it may have been Zimmerman who attacked before the witness arrived.

Nothing has been dropped by the cops.

The cops fucked up by not giving the shooter a intoxication test.

And that's for starters.

A certain poster here made issue of the kid being tested for intoxicating substances.

No ,I didn't you liar,I said that both Martin and Zimmerman should have been tested.

That certain poster knows, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that in any autopsy where the cause of death could result in criminal charges, no stone is left unturned. Yet he still tried to make political milk from it.

You are a liar,I said that both Martin and Zimmerman should have been tested.

hispanic/black race war blooming in this country

You're the only one pushing that ,no one else is.

I don't know for certain. I suspect it's because they believe they can turn this into an advantage for Obama in his re-election efforts. How disgusting is that?

You are sick,not to mention a demagogue.

[Truth Teller]

So does that mean if it weren't for Sharpton there'd be no bounty on Zimmerman's head?

IMO the bounty is due to the police doing nothing for about a month.

Its not a left vs right issue

True,most conservatives are seeing the forrest for the trees on this issue,it the lunatic extremists on the right who are clueless.

you fucking partisan hack.

Pot,kettle,black (maybe I shouldn't say that last word).

[Truth Teller]

Here's what Michelle Bernard(a black conservative) had to say:

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...can-contenders

[jwreck]

Here's what Michelle Bernard(a black conservative) had to say:

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...can-contenders

Great. A republican race hustler. That'll make everything better.

[BooRadley]

I suspect it's because they believe they can turn this into an advantage for Obama in his re-election efforts. How disgusting is that?

It's probably more about Florida's relaxed gun laws.

Quick story: Years ago, I bought a handgun in cash at a gun show, no ID, no questions, no signature -- cash and a handshake -- and kept it loaded in a gun rug in my car console (I used to have to stop late at night in a very, very bad neighborhood). Moral to the story: It was all perfectly legal, 'cause that's how we roll in FLA.

A lot of people have a problem with that. I don't (obviously), but the point isn't to be missed that a lot of people do. Florida's gun laws are a constant source of irritation to the gun banning crowd, and this highlights the shoot-rather-than-walk-away law. In fact, thinking about it, it might be the perfect case. If the guy started a fight, then shot the kid he started the fight with rather than taking the ass-whoopin' he so richly deserved, and the thing's dropped for the Stand Your Ground law, it would make an absolutely perfect case against that law.

[Malcolm Wright]

Boo - that's spot on and crystallizes thoughts I was reaching towards about the crux of this case.