Why have conservatives become so incredibly dumb?

[Zordar]

It seems to me as though the dems have simply mainstreamed their extremists. Consider the individula mandate under the ACA. A massive expansion of government power, with unlimited attendant restrictions on freedom.

Considering how many were jerking themselves raw at the idea of single-payer, pining for a full-on conversion of the U.S. into a European economic/social model with no private gun ownership just 10 years ago, I'd say the "mainstreaming" has been quite successful.

Democrats, even the ones who hate guns, rarely bother with the issue nowadays. Most of the talk we hear now is from Republicans, telling us the scary Dems are gonna grab our guns.

And to a lesser extent, while retarded ideas like "social justice" are still given lip-service, it's something you rarely see them act upon.

They still want to tax and spend too much, but at least they're not the GOP who just spends, so what're you gonna do? They're really nowhere near as noxious as they once were.

[lily]

Yeah, justice is really retarded.

(I'm not a leftie, and I agree that "social justice" is usually code for something else entirely, and many of their solutions for these issues are wrong. But let's not knock people who genuinely want justice.)

[antiquity]

Actually, you're a pretentious, condescending ass and a self-righteous partisan bombthrower who's only fooling himself. But your self-deception is amusing.

And we should believe you aren't a left wing partisan bomb thrower who is only fooling yourself.

Notice I didn't throw in the personal insults reaching my conclusion which you normally do when you are losing an argument.

[BooRadley]

And we should believe you aren't a left wing partisan bomb thrower who is only fooling yourself.

Believe what you'd like.

Notice I didn't throw in the personal insults reaching my conclusion which you normally do when you are losing an argument.

Okay.

[Truth Teller]

The conservative movers and shakers aren't fools, but they've realized that the electorate is not going to vote for their agenda if they're honest about it. In order to achieve their goals they've embarked on a strategy of misrepresentation and disinformation of not only what they want to do with America, but about what their opponents would do. They've forfeited their integrity to further their cause. They've chosen to weasel their way into power through necessary deceit because they know that it's the only hope they have to achieve the power they need to implement their agenda over the will of the people.

If they were up front about what they're really about they couldn't win any election above municipal level. We, as a people, simply don't want government officials of any type to take away everything we've worked for and, for the most part, already paid for and that means they don't want conservatives in state or national positions of power. In order for conservatives to gain those positions at the higher levels, they have to be deceitful and spin half-truths and outright lies to gullible people to buy votes.

All this does is gain them temporary power, just long enough to really screw things up. Then an outraged electorate replaces them until they've forgotten about the mess they made and become re-infatuated with their propaganda and re-elect them, only to see the country and all its potential slip further and further from their grasp.

There is no happy ending to this spiral, unless and until we expose the conservative agenda, strategy and tactics for what it is and keep pounding it home.

Modern conservatives can't win by being honest,decent or ethical,that's for damn sure.

My belief is the talking pundits, radio and TV and the extreme religious right have helped morph conservatism into something it was never intended to be. I think there are good moderates on both the liberal and conservative side but the loudmouth screeches of the nutjob extremists on both sides are drowning them out.

TV has really deteriorated, too.

Can you believe intelligent stuff like this used to be on the basic, few channels people saw?

I loved Firing Line and I miss it.

Yeah,I think Rush Limbaugh proved there's a lot of money to made by playing down to the lowest level,it's also politically effective too.

This all originated with Alabama Gov.George Wallce ,so it's safe to call Gov. Wallace the father of modern conservatism.

Also,Paul Weyrich ,Lee Atwater ,Roger Ailes ,and Richard Mellon Scaife play a major part in this as well.

The only conservative member from DA that I'd consider an intellectual was a guy named Right Wing Zealot.

[Pho King]

Actually, you're a pretentious, condescending ass and a self-righteous partisan bombthrower who's only fooling himself. But your self-deception is amusing.

Amazing that on a thread in which you (and others) proclaim so many others to be so far beneath yourselves based on political leanings, you identify me as the partisan bombthrower.

[Pho King]

Considering how many were jerking themselves raw at the idea of single-payer, pining for a full-on conversion of the U.S. into a European economic/social model with no private gun ownership just 10 years ago, I'd say the "mainstreaming" has been quite successful.

Democrats, even the ones who hate guns, rarely bother with the issue nowadays. Most of the talk we hear now is from Republicans, telling us the scary Dems are gonna grab our guns.

And to a lesser extent, while retarded ideas like "social justice" are still given lip-service, it's something you rarely see them act upon.

They still want to tax and spend too much, but at least they're not the GOP who just spends, so what're you gonna do? They're really nowhere near as noxious as they once were.

Many of us that find the individual mandate an unprecedented power grab, and the birth control mandate a perfect example of the "social justice" conundrum, would find your statements a bit.....non-perceptive. But we are the millions that you find to be "incredibly stupid" because we dont agree with you.

[BooRadley]

identify me as the partisan bombthrower.

Because you are.

[Pho King]

Modern conservatives can't win by being honest,decent or ethical,that's for damn sure.




I loved Firing Line and I miss it.

Yeah,I think Rush Limbaugh proved there's a lot of money to made by playing down to the lowest level,it's also politically effective too.

This all originated with Alabama Gov.George Wallce ,so it's safe to call Gov. Wallace the father of modern conservatism.

Also,Paul Weyrich ,Lee Atwater ,Roger Ailes ,and Richard Mellon Scaife play a major part in this as well.

Validation of Chachma's postulation......

[optimus]

lol, I mean, he was an asshole, but he was smart. You don't agree?

[optimus]

Zordar, how would you answer your question? I don't think you've given an answer yet, have you?

[BooRadley]

lol, I mean, he was an asshole, but he was smart. You don't agree?

All I remember of him, which isn't much, was one or two threads where he was shouting out the regular insanity. Not to say that there wern't other threads, but that's all I remember of him.

[kellyb]

Many of us that find the individual mandate an unprecedented power grab, and the birth control mandate a perfect example of the "social justice" conundrum, would find your statements a bit.....non-perceptive. But we are the millions that you find to be "incredibly stupid" because we dont agree with you.

The mandate was the brainchild of the Heritage foundation, and mandating birth control coverage for insurance companies is somewhere between pretty irrelevant and a cheap political trick.

[Chachma v'Oz]

The Heritage Foundation came up with the idea, Mitt Romney applied it in his signature Massachusetts health care plan, and Newt Gingrich lauded him for it. Now all of them are distancing themselves from it and their own records as much and as fast as they can because Obama used the Massachusetts model for the PPACA. It's another case of ignoring the benefit to the country because anything within six degrees of President Obama must be opposed.

This passes for leadership in conservative circles. How dumb is that?

[antiquity]

The Heritage Foundation came up with the idea, Mitt Romney applied it in his signature Massachusetts health care plan, and Newt Gingrich lauded him for it. Now all of them are distancing themselves from it and their own records as much and as fast as they can because Obama used the Massachusetts model for the PPACA. It's another case of ignoring the benefit to the country because anything within six degrees of President Obama must be opposed.

This passes for leadership in conservative circles. How dumb is that?

Still throwing left wing bombs I see.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Guess where the targeted idiots reside.

[Pho King]

The mandate was the brainchild of the Heritage foundation, and mandating birth control coverage for insurance companies is somewhere between pretty irrelevant and a cheap political trick.

Sorry. this mandate is the child of Obama and the Dems, although to attach "brain" anywhere near it is preposterous. They wrote the law, they passed it, he signed it-all without even reading it.

As for the birth control mandate being irrelevant- for many, that is true. And the less value an individual places on individual decision-making authority, the more irrelevant it will be to them.

[kellyb]

Sorry. this mandate is the child of Obama and the Dems, although to attach "brain" anywhere near it is preposterous. They wrote the law, they passed it, he signed it-all without even reading it.

As for the birth control mandate being irrelevant- for many, that is true. And the less value an individual places on individual decision-making authority, the more irrelevant it will be to them.

No, really, Romneycare's mandate predated the ACA.

less value an individual places on individual decision-making

The individual decision-making of multinational health insurance companies? They've screwed everything up WAY too much for me to care about that.

[Pho King]

I am aware that Romneys mandate preceded the ACA. But the ACA was created and passed solely by Democrats. Its their "child".

The individual decision making authority I was referring to does not only take into account multi-national health insurance companies that have screwed things up way too much for you to care. What have I or any of the other several hundred million citizens done to you that you want to curtail their freedoms? What about the business owners- have they also wronged you to the extent that you would limit their choices? The liberties you would have eliminated are shared by the citizenry, the business community, and the multi-nationals that have wronged you so. And all of us are having our freedoms curtailed in very significant ways by the desires of some who place no value on those liberties.

[Pho King]

I fail to understand the comfort so many on the left have with the government mandating the purchase of health insurance. Whats next?