Did Anything in The Old Testament Exist

[GanjaFreebird]

People might use scientific facts (just like any other facts) to justify their politics/political views, but science itself isn't objective, it's based on facts, not personal opinions and political views.

[Archaix]

Political? Do you even know that that the reason WHY we even discovered a lot of the ancient Hebrew stuff in Jerusalem was because Jordan decided to bomb a few buildings as they were losing East Jerusalem in 1967 and thought that they would just destroy a lot of things before they lose the land, but the explosion ended up helping us discover a lot of that archeological stuff from thousands of years ago.

Most archaeology in Israel, like archaeology everywhere else, is found during redevelopment -the only point where anyone gives a crap about what's below the surface. So there's already a bias between economically developed Israel and slowly developing everywhere else.

The Arabs (both Palestinians and some Israeli Arabs, as well as Arab states) REALLY hate it when there are historical and acheological researches in Jerusalem, as it shows more and more evidence of the Jewish civilization and more evidence that the land was historically ours and not theirs.

I suspect they hate it more when Israeli excavation teams destroy their heritage to get to Jewish remains that they deem more important. But I don't want to get into the land rights issue again, and you know my position on that already.

The bottom line is that you can't argue with science.

In fact I can, as I have a masters' degree in archaeology.

Regardless if you chose to believe in Judaism or our relationship with God, you can't deny our history and civilization in Israel anymore than you can deny the Native Americans' history and civilization in America just because you don't believe in their gods.

I'm not denying modern-day Israel wasn't Jewish in the past (up to a point, but we've mentioned this recently), but as it happens the archaeology of North America is incredibly fraught with tensions -as it should be, because colonial heritage is always complex.

I trust archeology books (as well as history books and biological research) MUCH more than I trust anybody's political/religious agenda.

Two of your country's leading archaeologists Israel Finkelstein and Eilat Mazar uncritically use the OT to guide and explain their research. That's so unscientific that proper, Western archaeologists had stopped doing that by the early 20th century.

[antiquity]

We were taking band pictures, and yes it was nice outside.

Low budget?

I have no trouble playing guitar in any position, it's just something that Rock musicians do, grandma, at least since the late 1950s.

Actually its not necessary if one has talent.

Possibly.

Seems you are high on pot a lot, does you pot med card include a handicap parking pass.

[jwreck]

In fact I can, as I have a masters' degree in archaeology.

BWAHAHA!!!!! Curly got pwned.

[GanjaFreebird]

Dumbass.

[86Dùde]

In fact I can, as I have a masters' degree in archaeology.

I'm sure you'd call me a looter then Archie. I don't know what you European Archies are like but around here we call them grave robbers. It's always a good day when I get on a site and dig up all the goodies while taking the site out of historical context because there is little left to be learned about Napoleonic battle tactics so I certainly don't mind digging up valuable civil war stuff and denying the state funded archaeologists the chance later on.

[Šñøü†ê®]

A friend of mine has a Masters in Archaeology from Columbia. His undergrad is in Art History from Colby. Yes he liked to party hardy! There are easier majors, but not many.

[GanjaFreebird]

Low budget?

Not at all, the management paid extra just to go to specific places where we took photos such as that one.

Actually its not necessary if one has talent.

Too bad Jimi Hendrix, Van Halen and Pete Townshend don't agree on that one, grandma.

Seems you are high on pot a lot, does you pot med card include a handicap parking pass.

No, just because I'm having troubles falling asleep sometimes doesn't mean I'm disabled and need a special parking pass.

[GanjaFreebird]

A friend of mine has a Masters in Archaeology from Columbia... Yes he liked to party hardy!

Are you trying to say he was so drunk that he couldn't tell the difference between Hebrew and Arabic when he found some ancient stuff in Israel?

[Šñøü†ê®]

Ganga, get over it. You have been brainwashed. Embrace your Russian roots and move on. And hopefully your "management" is not another scam in which you pretend to be disabled to get gigs. But antiquity's point is true in today's gig scene. All that really matters is performance and how many folks you can bring to a gig. I don't think pics of you is gonna help that situation! Unless you lost some weight and got a nose job!

[GanjaFreebird]

Most archaeology in Israel, like archaeology everywhere else, is found during redevelopment -the only point where anyone gives a crap about what's below the surface. So there's already a bias between economically developed Israel and slowly developing everywhere else.

If that was the case, then the Arabs would've found at least some ancient Arabic/Islamic stuff in Israel that was there before the Jewish civilization, they had more than enough time to do so, and the only thing Jordan did was accidently helping to discover even more ancient Jewish stuff than scientists even expected to find

I suspect they hate it more when Israeli excavation teams destroy their heritage to get to Jewish remains that they deem more important.

And we hate it that their "heritage" (of the last 150 years or so) was built on OUR heritage and civilization. People stealing our land from us doesn't change history, sorry.

In fact I can, as I have a masters' degree in archaeology.

But what ARE you arguing against, when it comes to the Jewish ancient civilization in Israel? What are you trying to deny anyways?

I'm not denying modern-day Israel wasn't Jewish in the past (up to a point, but we've mentioned this recently), but as it happens the archaeology of North America is incredibly fraught with tensions -as it should be, because colonial heritage is always complex.

So what's your point?

Two of your country's leading archaeologists Israel Finkelstein and Eilat Mazar uncritically use the OT to guide and explain their research.

No, their research just proves that many of the historical parts of the OP were really true, but that's something that historians have known for many many years anyways.

[Šñøü†ê®]

I checked Wikipedia and still there is absolutely no evidence of the Garden of Eden, Tablets, Arks, nor Ancient Israel nor all of their ancient war activity. And absolutely no evidence of any bloodline that connects any modern person to these mythical tribes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...rael_and_Judah

[GanjaFreebird]

Ganga, get over it. You have been brainwashed.

Get over what? Brainwashed by who?

Embrace your Russian roots and move on.

What "Russian roots"? Me speaking Russian doesn't make me one anymore than Yassir Arafat's knowledge of Hebrew made him a Jew.

And hopefully your "management" is not another scam in which you pretend to be disabled to get gigs

Why are you so jealous of my success? Sometimes you should just be happy for people, even if you're not a big fan of their personality (or ethnicity).

But antiquity's point is true in today's gig scene. All that really matters is performance and how many folks you can bring to a gig.

Well, this Friday, our performance was excellent and our crowd was about 200 people, so I guess I'm not doing too bad.

I don't think pics of you is gonna help that situation! Unless you lost some weight and got a nose job!

Trust me, I would if I was half as fat as you or if my nose was nearly as big as yours, in fact, if you lost weight, you'd probably look like Barbra Streisand.

[GanjaFreebird]

I checked Wikipedia and still there is absolutely no evidence of the Garden of Eden, Tablets, Arks, nor Ancient Israel nor all of their ancient war activity. And absolutely no evidence of any bloodline that connects any modern person to these mythical tribes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...rael_and_Judah

Snouter, you're Jewish and yes, your fathers lived in the kingdom of Judah/Israel thousands of years ago, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it, get over it.

[jwreck]

If that was the case, then the Arabs would've found at least some ancient Arabic/Islamic stuff in Israel that was there before the Jewish civilization, they had more than enough time to do so, and the only thing Jordan did was accidently helping to discover even more ancient Jewish stuff than scientists even expected to find



And we hate it that their "heritage" (of the last 150 years or so) was built on OUR heritage and civilization. People stealing our land from us doesn't change history, sorry.



But what ARE you arguing against, when it comes to the Jewish ancient civilization in Israel? What are you trying to deny anyways?



So what's your point?



No, their research just proves that many of the historical parts of the OP were really true, but that's something that historians have known for many many years anyways.

Here it is once again. Someone points out the fact that archeology is easily politicized and you try to paint them as taking sides in the debate. Why is that?

[Archaix]

I'm sure you'd call me a looter then Archie. I don't know what you European Archies are like but around here we call them grave robbers. It's always a good day when I get on a site and dig up all the goodies while taking the site out of historical context because there is little left to be learned about Napoleonic battle tactics so I certainly don't mind digging up valuable civil war stuff and denying the state funded archaeologists the chance later on.

Nighthawks. And good luck finding Napoleonic War stuff in, er, America.

If that was the case, then the Arabs would've found at least some ancient Arabic/Islamic stuff in Israel that was there before the Jewish civilization, they had more than enough time to do so, and the only thing Jordan did was accidently helping to discover even more ancient Jewish stuff than scientists even expected to find

Well, seeing as the Islamic Arabic expansion occurred in the 7th century, it would be an idiotic pursuit anyway. It's not important to me, or even to the Palestinian movement, to demonstrate who was there first.

And we hate it that their "heritage" (of the last 150 years or so) was built on OUR heritage and civilization. People stealing our land from us doesn't change history, sorry.

“Their heritage” goes back over a thousand years, and up to the 20th century. It's certainly important, just as Jewish heritage is important.

But what ARE you arguing against, when it comes to the Jewish ancient civilization in Israel? What are you trying to deny anyways?

That 19th-21st century Jewish immigrants have more of a right to that land than any other ethnicity, that 'being there first' is meaningless, and that science cannot confirm or deny Zionist claims. Or Palestinian ones for that matter.

So what's your point?

Americans are capable of seeing the complexity of culture change, contact and colonisation.

No, their research just proves that many of the historical parts of the OP were really true, but that's something that historians have known for many many years anyways.

No, they've used the Bible to help interpret archaeology, not do what they ought to have been doing this whole time: using archaeology to test the accuracy of the OT.

Here it is once again. Someone points out the fact that archeology is easily politicized and you try to paint them as taking sides in the debate. Why is that?

Because Ganja is incredibly, incredibly Zionist.

[DngrMse]

They found stuff written in Roman?

Yes they did, and it was in binary. Since the Romans didn't have a character to represent '0', the message, unfortunately, consisted of this:

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[jwreck]

Yes they did, and it was in binary. Since the Romans didn't have a character to represent '0', the message, unfortunately, consisted of this:

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[antiquity]

Well, this Friday, our performance was excellent and our crowd was about 200 people, so I guess I'm not doing too bad.

200 people? I guess you being used to playing in the Rose Bowl for you that seemed like a lot.

[GanjaFreebird]

Here it is once again. Someone points out the fact that archeology is easily politicized and you try to paint them as taking sides in the debate. Why is that?

You can only politicize science so much, because science is based on actual facts, not people's personal opinion. If you find ancient Jewish stuff in Israel, it's not a matter of politics or people's opinions, but rather about historical evidence and facts.