Did Anything in The Old Testament Exist

[GanjaFreebird]

Nighthawks. And good luck finding Napoleonic War stuff in, er, America.
Well, seeing as the Islamic Arabic expansion occurred in the 7th century, it would be an idiotic pursuit anyway. It's not important to me, or even to the Palestinian movement, to demonstrate who was there first.

But why not? Since the "Palestinians" never even heard of Israel until thousands of years since the Jewish civilization, they should at least admit that the Jewish people have real historical claims to Israel that can't be denied. That's the first step towards real peace and understanding!

“Their heritage” goes back over a thousand years, and up to the 20th century. It's certainly important, just as Jewish heritage is important.

Hold on, but who's "heritage" exactly...until the Zionists arrived in the mid 1880s, there were only 300,000 Arabs in the ENTIRE "greater Israel" and some parts of today's Jordan, and right now, there are over 10 million Arabs who claim to be "Palestinians"...now, I'm not a mathematician, but I do know that 1+1=2, and something here isn't quite right, even if we assume that all of them have many children.

That 19th-21st century Jewish immigrants have more of a right to that land than any other ethnicity

Why not? Japanese people obviously have more right to Japan than people of other ethnicity, as that's their law and nobody questions them, and Israel belongs to the Jewish people historically no less than Japan belongs to the Japanese people.

that 'being there first' is meaningless, and that science cannot confirm or deny Zionist claims. Or Palestinian ones for that matter.

Sure it can. It's just that the Jews were there first and most Palestinians of today aren't indigenous people of that land by any means, while the Jewish claims to Israel have been proven through history, archeology and biology, and no anti-semitic propaganda was able to provide any real arguments against that.

Americans are capable of seeing the complexity of culture change, contact and colonisation.

And?

No, they've used the Bible to help interpret archaeology, not do what they ought to have been doing this whole time: using archaeology to test the accuracy of the OT.

Again, if you find ancient Torahs and other stuff that's written in Hebrew, it definitely didn't belong to the Arabs, but rather to somebody else, and no amount of religious interpretation could help or take away from that fact.

Because Ganja is incredibly, incredibly Zionist.

I love my homeland, history and culture!! Damn right!!

[GanjaFreebird]

200 people? I guess you being used to playing in the Rose Bowl for you that seemed like a lot.

I've played in front of thousands and thousands of people many times before, but none of y'all jealous clowns could even keep one person dancing for 3 hours, let alone 200, so fuck off!

[Šñøü†ê®]

Did you really get 200 spectators to show up for just your band, and there is no handicap scam going on like you had with your other band? Let's give Ganga a pat on the back. He might possibly have made $150 that night. Keep up the good work Ganga! If you can do 3 of those everyday for the next year, you might actually be able to pay your rent AND buy food and a new bicycle!

[Dinar Agapova]

MAY GOD FORGIVE YOUR IGNORANCE!

[Šñøü†ê®]

Dinar, Ganga was involved in a scam band that got gigs not for their ability to do cover songs, but because one of the bandmembers had a handicap that Ganga exploited for his own personal glorification. Is using someone for personal gain and lying about "evil" or just evidence of weak character? Following along those lines of Ganga's cheesy approach to things, we can assume he never got a nose job when he attempted to get into show business because he thought having a giant hooked nose would be his ticket in, that he was one of them so to speak. Well apparently that scam did not work out either. But now he is starting new and let's hope he can make some beer money. The sad thing is that the California State University system is tightening their belts, so it will be difficult for him to get some education needed for a job.

[GanjaFreebird]

Did you really get 200 spectators to show up for just your band, and there is no handicap scam going on like you had with your other band?

AMS almost always plays shows in front of hundreds of people, and this one was no exception!

Let's give Ganga a pat on the back. He might possibly have made $150 that night.

Possibly a little more, and it was actually an afternoon-evening gig.

Keep up the good work Ganga!

Thank you!!

If you can do 3 of those everyday for the next year, you might actually be able to pay your rent AND buy food and a new bicycle!

[GanjaFreebird]

Dinar, Ganga was involved in a band that got gigs not ONLY for their ability to do cover songs, but also for their original music!

Fixed it...I think that's what Snouter is actually trying to say!

[GanjaFreebird]

but because one of the bandmembers had a handicap that Ganga exploited for his own personal glorification

All of the band members are feeling just fine, thanks for asking, and the reason why we raise awareness for disabilities is because we are good people who want to make a difference using what we love doing, which is our music!!

Is using someone for personal gain and lying about "evil" or just evidence of weak character?

I don't know, Snouter, why are you still moochin' off your parents? Is it because you're evil, weak, or just a spoiled narcissistic asshole?

Following along those lines of Ganga's cheesy approach to things, we can assume he never got a nose job when he attempted to get into show business because he thought having a giant hooked nose would be his ticket in, that he was one of them so to speak.

If having the biggest Jewish nose was all it took to be a Rock star, you'd be the biggest star in the world, about 10 times more popular than Barbra Streisand.

Well apparently that scam did not work out either. But now he is starting new and let's hope he can make some beer money.

Well, I'm certainly glad that you successfully pulled your "scam" and that from some reason your parents still support you even after 50 years, don't know if that means you have to attend Jewish events with them or if they are just nice liberal people, but either way, good for you!

so it will be difficult for him to get some education needed for a job.

I was lucky enough to get some education from Honeyboy Edwards, Koko Taylor and Hubert Sumlin and other people who invented the kind of music that I play, before it was too late, if that's what you mean.

[Šñøü†ê®]

Can you believe some folks think there is a "Noah's Ark" on Mount Ararat? I mean come on, did they really put two insects and everything in there? Come on. But more importantly where is the Ark of the Covenant? Or is that symbolism like most mythology?

[Archaix]

But why not? Since the "Palestinians" never even heard of Israel until thousands of years since the Jewish civilization, they should at least admit that the Jewish people have real historical claims to Israel that can't be denied. That's the first step towards real peace and understanding

Just because an ethnic group owned land in the past, it doesn't mean they should have ownership now. 'Historical ownership' is essentially worthless anyway because cultures aren't in 'stasis' -the Jews of the past aren't you, and you weren't robbed by 7th century Arabs. If you think otherwise you deserve to be institutionalised.

Hold on, but who's "heritage" exactly...until the Zionists arrived in the mid 1880s, there were only 300,000 Arabs in the ENTIRE "greater Israel" and some parts of today's Jordan, and right now, there are over 10 million Arabs who claim to be "Palestinians"...now, I'm not a mathematician, but I do know that 1+1=2, and something here isn't quite right, even if we assume that all of them have many children

In case you haven't noticed, there's a few more people in the world than in 1880:

Those people will have have grandchildren by now, probably in refugee camps and the stinking ghettos of the west. All because in 1948 Israelis thought they had superior lineage and a right to cleanse the land of other ethnicities -why doesn't this make you furious?

Why not? Japanese people obviously have more right to Japan than people of other ethnicity, as that's their law and nobody questions them, and Israel belongs to the Jewish people historically no less than Japan belongs to the Japanese people.

So I'm guessing you support Greater Germany then. Up to the point where it affected ethnic 'others' in Europe, that is.

most Palestinians of today aren't indigenous people of that land by any means

I agree with you. Logically, this applies to the Jews across the world too.

And?

Israeli archaeologists (and musicians) have no clue as to how cultures work. Or, rather, they do but want to use 19th century concepts that work for them politically.

[Freedom&Liberty]

But more importantly where is the Ark of the Covenant?

I have it in my basement. It'll hold two cases of beer w/ice or the stone tablets it came with.

[antiquity]

All of the band members are feeling just fine, thanks for asking, and the reason why we raise awareness for disabilities is because we are good people who want to make a difference using what we love doing, which is our music:)

As stated, at least 200 maybe thought that. In a stadium that seats thousands not so good.

[antiquity]

I have it in my basement. It'll hold two cases of beer w/ice or the stone tablets it came with.

[GanjaFreebird]

Just because an ethnic group owned land in the past, it doesn't mean they should have ownership now. 'Historical ownership' is essentially worthless anyway because cultures aren't in 'stasis' -the Jews of the past aren't you, and you weren't robbed by 7th century Arabs. If you think otherwise you deserve to be institutionalised.

The Jews of "the past" are my grandfathers and grandmothers, asshole, and yes, what belonged to them, belongs to me, if you have a problem with that, you can discuss it with the IDF.

In case you haven't noticed, there's a few more people in the world than in 1880:

The problem is that between 1870 and 1947 millions of Arabs moved to Israel from Jordan, Egypt and other countries, after the Zionists turned that shithole into something nice, and they claimed to be "Palestinians" but they aren't AT ALL, and neither are their children, just sayin'.

Those people will have have grandchildren by now, probably in refugee camps and the stinking ghettos of the west. All because in 1948 Israelis thought they had superior lineage and a right to cleanse the land of other ethnicities -why doesn't this make you furious?

Because those people are originally from Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq, including Yassir Arafat who was born in Egypt. They didn't give a shit about Israel until the Zionists turned it into a civilization and they tried to take it away from us only after we helped them and inspired most of them to move there, so fuck them, that land didn't belong to most of them anyways, and we were the ones who built the country that it is today. They have the choice of either get over themselves and make a better future for their kids as the citizens of Arab countries or the west, or they can stay in those stinking refugees camps forever, I don't give a shit, this is not my problem at all.

So I'm guessing you support Greater Germany then. Up to the point where it affected ethnic 'others' in Europe, that is.

No, I support Germany's right to exist how ever they want to exist, but I wouldn't support any country attacking others, especially because of bigoted reasons.

I agree with you. Logically, this applies to the Jews across the world too.

Biology proves you wrong.

Israeli archaeologists (and musicians) have no clue as to how cultures work. Or, rather, they do but want to use 19th century concepts that work for them politically.

Sure we do. If you find old stuff that's written in Hebrew, it must belong to the Jews, not to Arabs or Muslims, if you don't know that, then you are a moron.

[GanjaFreebird]

As stated, at least 200 maybe thought that. In a stadium that seats thousands not so good.

Your point?

[Truth Teller]

The Garden of Eden?

According to Mitt Romeny's faith,that was in Jackson County, Missouri.

Jericho exsists cause I've been there.

Remember,Joshua was a musican and he wasn't a gentile.

but yes, Snouter, to answer your question, you are a Hebrew, accept that biological fact and get over it.

The pseudointellectualism of Moe and Curly on prominent display in this thread.

You tell 'em Red.

The non-intellectualism of jWreck has garnered yet more prominence.

[Truth Teller]

Curly, you remind me of that jackass that was here years ago that decided that I must be some kind of plant for the Philadelphia cops because I didn't believe all the bullshit propaganda he posted about Mumia.

You tell 'em Red.

Low budget?



Actually its not necessary if one has talent.



Seems you are high on pot a lot, does you pot med card include a handicap parking pass.

You must have me mistaken for someone who gives a shit.

BWAHAHA!!!!! Curly got pwned.

You tell 'em Red.

Are you trying to say he was so drunk that he couldn't tell the difference between Hebrew and Arabic when he found some ancient stuff in Israel?

[jwreck]

[Truth Teller]

Can you believe some folks think there is a "Noah's Ark" on Mount Ararat? I mean come on, did they really put two insects and everything in there? Come on. But more importantly where is the Ark of the Covenant? Or is that symbolism like most mythology?

[Cyclone Ranger]

Just because an ethnic group owned land in the past, it doesn't mean they should have ownership now.

But the fact the international community legally recognized Israeli sovereignty does.

'Historical ownership' is essentially worthless anyway because cultures aren't in 'stasis' -the Jews of the past aren't you

That's highly debatable, given the remarkable cultural and even genetic continuity of the Jewish community over the last two thousand years.