Reply With QuoteAll we know for sure is that the liberals are thugs. The rest are stuck in your socialist system, whether they want to be or not.
If you're a thug because you believe in social programs, most Americans are thugs.
All we know for sure is that the liberals are thugs. The rest are stuck in your socialist system, whether they want to be or not.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
All we know for sure is: libertoons are sociopaths, as demonstrated by your posts.
Most modern nations around the world see the health care of their citizens not only as a national priority, but as a basic human right.
Then, there's the US...
Yes, real Americans have a far better grasp of freedom than the socialists that live in backwards, dumbass countries.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
The backward and dumbass here are represented by the noisy tribe of Neanderthals who fight every attempt at progress with their rocks and clubs.
So, to you, real progress can only be made when all receive mediocre benefit at the expense of victims of government force. To me, progress is innovation and invention that leads to better treatment. Which one is it that the Neanderthals prefer?
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
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If the benefits of progress are affordable only for the elite, whether it's truly progress or not is debatable. Neanderthals are experts at working against their own best interest.
Catastrophic health insurance is very affordable.
When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau]
There's more to a healthy population than simply avoiding the catastrophic.
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Wait. In the nations of Europe, normal middle class people pay something like 60% income tax. A lot of that money goes to their socialized healthcare programs.
Japan just jacked up their consumption tax by another 3% to cover their healthcare costs.
"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."
In a freer market, those benefits ALWAYS become more affordable. LASIK surgery, for just one example.
The ambassador died, Obama lied.
The consumer ALWAYS ends up paying the entire cost of the service, ALWAYS.
The ambassador died, Obama lied.
No, it isn't. I see a lot of people with fancy smart phones and new cars and the latest clothes who say they "can't afford" healthcare. I think the reality for some (but not all) is that they don't prioritize healthcare over those other things because they don't feel it's as valuable as those other things. When people don't see the true cost of something, they place less value on it. When they percieve that it should be "free", they don't place value on it either. No one will give you a "free" iPhone...but plenty of people have them. Why? Because they've prioritized that. They've sacrificed something else in order to get it.
I'm not saying we don't need any reforms. We do. I'm not saying that there are actually some people who need help. They do. What I'm saying is that a large part of the problem could be addressed by forcing people to act more responsibly in their own interests. If we keep saying the government is going to take care of everyone, there will never be any incentive to act reasonably.
One other thing...if it becomes a luxury, a lot of doctors will find themselves out of work. Also, a lot of researchers and drug companies will go out of business. They depend on a wide customer base to make their products/services economically viable. As an example, do you have any idea what it cost to develop a new drug? Billions. Even the rich can't afford to pay $500k for one pill.
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"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."
Of course. There's no way around it.
"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."
An interesting personal anecdote.....,. many years ago, when i was in my twenties, I had to have a surgery at a time when I had no health insurance and did not qualify for federal assistance. In spite of that, I received excellent medical care, and a whopping set of bills. So my experience with US healthcare certainly does not support the implication that the US does not make the healthcare of our citizens a national priority or a basic human right. In fact, at the consult with my surgeon, when I expressed concern over my lack of coverage, his response was not to worry. He was required to perform the surgery without respect to payment.
Your story must be suppressed! LOL...
"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."
... you say with a straight face as consumer health care costs skyrocket from our "charge whatever the traffic will bear" health care system. Have you forgotten the title of this thread?
So limiting costs is the answer. Otherwise there is no effective limit until only the most affluent can afford it at all.
Providers demand a certain profit. Whether they earn it from serving the masses at low cost or serving the much fewer privileged at exorbitant cost, as long as their bottom line is the same they don't care.
Others of us do care, as it's a national economic issue.
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