US democratic electoral system is dust

[Dandelion]

My world is ruined. I'm shocked.
51 million eligible US citizens are unregistered... About 1,8 million of voters never existed for about 24 million records have incorrect addresses or errors in the information make it unlikely any mailings can reach them...
Bloody murder! Who decides the fate of American presidency then?? They in canvassing board can ascribe those votes any nominee they like! That time in 2000 Bush has won by 537 votes from Florida. And some voices were considered invalid because they'd been received by mail.
My head's spinning because of those possibilities. It turns out that nothing depends on us. Really nothing! Those big guys of big politics wind us round their little fingers. And entire American people is a quasidemocratic cover for their underground political games.
If is it easier to commit suicide?

[Chachma v'Oz]

Any system that allows the runner-up to steal the election has to be changed.

http://nationalpopularvote.com/

[antiquity]

My world is ruined. I'm shocked.
51 million eligible US citizens are unregistered... About 1,8 million of voters never existed for about 24 million records have incorrect addresses or errors in the information make it unlikely any mailings can reach them...
Bloody murder! Who decides the fate of American presidency then?? They in canvassing board can ascribe those votes any nominee they like! That time in 2000 Bush has won by 537 votes from Florida. And some voices were considered invalid because they'd been received by mail.
My head's spinning because of those possibilities. It turns out that nothing depends on us. Really nothing! Those big guys of big politics wind us round their little fingers. And entire American people is a quasidemocratic cover for their underground political games.
If is it easier to commit suicide?

Are you a US citizen, if not fuck off.

51 million eligible US citizens are unregistered because, One: they are lazy or Two: they won't vote if they were registered.

Most of the mail-in votes that were invalid in Florida were overseas US military that democrats said didn't mail in their votes fast enough after they mailed them out to the service personnel late.

[antiquity]

Any system that allows the runner-up to steal the election has to be changed.

http://nationalpopularvote.com/

Hog wash. Who stole an election? If you are referring to the 2000 Bush/Gore election, I would suggest you read the United States Constitution: The Twelfth Amendment (Amendment XII) to the United States Constitution provides the procedure for electing the President and Vice President. It replaced Article II, Section 1, Clause 3, which provided the original procedure by which the Electoral College functioned. Problems with the original procedure arose in the elections of 1796 and 1800. The Twelfth Amendment was proposed by the Congress on December 9, 1803, and was ratified by the required number of state legislatures on June 15, 1804.

The Electoral College voting system evens up the chances of a couple big states running over all the smaller states.

You liberals have to remember Clinton had less then 50% of the vote both times he ran.

[Chachma v'Oz]

If you'll review what I said, you'll see that I said that the system needs to be changed. The president represents all the country, not just the states, and every vote cast should carry equal weight. Giving voters some states more voting power than others is not equal rights nor equal opportunity. As it stands now, candidates need only campaign in a handful of states to win the race for electoral votes, essentially disenfranchising voters in the rest of the country. Their votes are of lesser value, if of any value at all.

John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton and GW Bush number among the presidents who earned less than 50% of the vote. The winner doesn't need a majority of the votes, just a plurality. Or in a couple of cases, a fortunate combination of electoral votes to override the will of the people.

[antiquity]

If you'll review what I said, you'll see that I said that the system needs to be changed. The president represents all the country, not just the states, and every vote cast should carry equal weight. Giving voters some states more voting power than others is not equal rights nor equal opportunity. As it stands now, candidates need only campaign in a handful of states to win the race for electoral votes, essentially disenfranchising voters in the rest of the country. Their votes are of lesser value, if of any value at all.

John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton and GW Bush number among the presidents who earned less than 50% of the vote. The winner doesn't need a majority of the votes, just a plurality. Or in a couple of cases, a fortunate combination of electoral votes to override the will of the people.

Over ride the will of the people? But did it over ride the US Constitution? I will stick to the Constitution as our founding fathers wrote it.

Not sure what you mean by some states has more power than others. The electoral college is determined the same way and the same vote count as our congress...468 votes. As it stand now if a candidate only campaigned in a few large electoral college states he still could be defeated by the rest of the states. If a candidate only campaigned in the top seven states according to population, that means if the presidential candidates won all of them he would only have to carry those states and skip the rest to carry the popular vote. I am sure people in the other 43 states would feel left out of the process and maybe be less incline to vote at all.

The electoral college just evens up the process.

I fully understand why you want the change, it has to do with Bush defeating Gore doesn't it?

[Chachma v'Oz]

One man, one vote means the candidate with the most individual votes wins the election. Where they live has no bearing on the outcome, unlike now. And yes, the travesty of the 2000 electoral anomaly did bring to light the importance of establishing a national popular vote for the office of president.

[coolfun]

You haden't noticed that elections in USA are pointless they are fixed

[BooRadley]

My world is ruined. I'm shocked.
51 million eligible US citizens are unregistered... About 1,8 million of voters never existed for about 24 million records have incorrect addresses or errors in the information make it unlikely any mailings can reach them...
Bloody murder! Who decides the fate of American presidency then?? They in canvassing board can ascribe those votes any nominee they like! That time in 2000 Bush has won by 537 votes from Florida. And some voices were considered invalid because they'd been received by mail.
My head's spinning because of those possibilities. It turns out that nothing depends on us. Really nothing! Those big guys of big politics wind us round their little fingers. And entire American people is a quasidemocratic cover for their underground political games.
If is it easier to commit suicide?

Now that's what I call trolling.

At least it wasn't about the president of some inconsequential ex Soviet republic this time.

[jwreck]

One man, one vote means the candidate with the most individual votes wins the election. Where they live has no bearing on the outcome, unlike now. And yes, the travesty of the 2000 electoral anomaly did bring to light the importance of establishing a national popular vote for the office of president.

One man one vote is just mob rule.

[Cyclone Ranger]

BS. Democracy is not the tyranny of the majority

[jwreck]

BS. Democracy is not the tyranny of the majority

[kellyb]

I really wish all the democracy haters would just move to Mississippi and start they own country or something.

We'll let you leave the union this time. Gladly.

[BooRadley]

I really wish all the democracy haters would just move to Mississippi and start they own country or something.

We'll let you leave the union this time. Gladly.

http://www.christianexodus.org/index...id=9&Itemid=37

These guys were originally going to try to get S.C. to secede and form a theocracy. They were moving people to S.C. to try to get enough of a majority to vote the state out of the Union. I'm not sure what they're trying to do now.

[jwreck]

I don't hate democracy, I'm just honest about it.

[caddis]

Any system that allows the runner-up to steal the election has to be changed.

http://nationalpopularvote.com/

Not all of us want a system ruled by the urban voting blocks

[Chachma v'Oz]

Which has nothing to do with it, straw man. With popular vote, all it takes to win the presidential election is more votes than any opponent. The winner is the people's choice. Currently, he's the people's choice or the winner only because of a unique combination of loosely representative electoral votes, which is where voting blocs actually do play a part, thwarting the people's choice.

[caddis]

Which has nothing to do with it, straw man.

It has everything to do with it and your reply demonstrates how you don't understand the electoral system and why our founding fathers were so brilliant to give it to us.

[Freedom&Liberty]

Which has nothing to do with it, straw man. With popular vote, all it takes to win the presidential election is more votes than any opponent. The winner is the people's choice. Currently, he's the people's choice or the winner only because of a unique combination of loosely representative electoral votes, which is where voting blocs actually do play a part, thwarting the people's choice.

Would you rather have a system where 5 states can decide the victor? There are enough people in California, New York, Texas, Florida and Illinois to eliminate the votes of the other 45 states. It sucks when the rights of the minority kick your ass, huh.

[Chachma v'Oz]

I want a system where the people decide the victor, not a collection of state appointees who can, and do, override the decision of the people.