Barack Obama : The Black FDR?

[Chachma v'Oz]

That's my argument. It doesn't matter why the notion is put to rest, it's a bad idea. The reasons are numerous.

[jwreck]

[Truth Teller]

Larry and Moe are so retarded and bigoted they are implying a certain demographic is so retarded, that demographic does not know how to obtain that which they would need to obtain WELFARE BENEFITS!

The Constiution does not give one a "right" to be on welfare,it does give one a right to vote.

Anyway,you'd be on welfare if you weren't mooching off your parents.

I really, really don't like fake leftists. At least when repubs are in office the left knows what it's supposed to be about.

Neither Obama or Clinton ever claimed to be "Leftists" , right-wing media claims that,no credilble surce does.

So, I shouldn't have to show an ID to buy a gun then, right?

You can buy a gun illegally if you don't like the system,the same option does not exist for voting.

The constitution provides no right to vote.

Ever hear of the 1965 Voting Rights Act?

Yes, clearly we should cater to people who can't keep up with official documents.

The Constitution allows it.

If you can travel somewhere to submit your signature, you can get an ID while you're there.

Not true in many rural areas(including one I used to live in).

Again, that's not the argument. The argument is that its too difficult to get out of your house to get an ID.

There are many people in many rural areas who don't drive,for them it is indeed too difficult.

Again ,why do this if there is no proof whatsoever that so-called "voter fraud" has ever happend in the first place?

Why nail the barndoor shut when the existing lock works just fine?

[kellyb]

The constitution provides no right to vote.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am17

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

[jwreck]

There are many people in many rural areas who don't drive,for them it is indeed too difficult.

SO, if they don't drive, how do they vote?

Again ,why do this if there is no proof whatsoever that so-called "voter fraud" has ever happend in the first place?

Why nail the barndoor shut when the existing lock works just fine?

You've let Moe hit you over the head too many times if you think that there is no voter fraud.

[Chachma v'Oz]

SO, if they don't drive, how do they vote?

By mail. And in Oregon, online. Once identity and eligibility are established upon registration, voting is a simple affair.

Or is supposed to be. There are those who, for their own reasons, want to make it difficult for others to exercise their constitutional rights any way they can.

[jwreck]

Well, hell. Let's just all vote by text message like we're picking the next American Idol.

[Chachma v'Oz]

I wouldn't recommend voting while driving. That could be illegal voting.

[Freedom&Liberty]

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am17

You left out 15(Race) & 26(18 years of age). Those are demographics that the states are restricted from denying.

[Chachma v'Oz]

The 24th Amendment prohibits any form of poll tax. Unless states issue free photo ID to residents, it could be argued that requiring such ID to vote is an unconstitutional poll tax.

Still another reason.

[hadit]

The 24th Amendment prohibits any form of poll tax. Unless states issue free photo ID to residents, it could be argued that requiring such ID to vote is an unconstitutional poll tax.

Still another reason.

The plans I've seen include just such free ID's, so why do you still oppose them?

[hadit]

The Constiution does not give one a "right" to be on welfare,it does give one a right to vote.

Where? I'll give you a hint, I don't think you'll find much regarding the right of people to vote directly for the president. In fact, they still don't do it today.

[hadit]

Neither Obama or Clinton ever claimed to be "Leftists"

Of course they wouldn't, it would be certain political suicide.

[Chachma v'Oz]

The plans I've seen include just such free ID's, so why do you still oppose them?

That was just another reason, not the only reason.

[Freedom&Liberty]

BTW, ChaCha, this is wrong.

There are those who, for their own reasons, want to make it difficult for others to exercise their constitutional rights any way they can.

Since there is no constitutional right to vote, making it difficult isn't something the feds can do much about.

[kellyb]

Of course they wouldn't, it would be certain political suicide.

Obama's arguments during the debates were way leftist, and it made him wildly popular.
Unfortunately for 99% of the population, it was apparently just a really good act.

[Chachma v'Oz]

We, as citizens, can oppose efforts to make the voting process more of a challenge than it need be.

[hadit]

That was just another reason, not the only reason.

There are no other good reasons to oppose them. It boils down to one thing, and one thing only. Most of those who don't currently hold photo ID's vote democrat. They can easily get the ID's, so what you fear is that many won't, and thus won't be able to vote democrat.

[Chachma v'Oz]

Obama's arguments during the debates were way leftist, and it made him wildly popular.
Unfortunately for 99% of the population, it was apparently just a really good act.

They were to the left of his debating opponent. They were moderate in the larger picture, which I wish more people would consider.

[hadit]

Obama's arguments during the debates were way leftist, and it made him wildly popular.
Unfortunately for 99% of the population, it was apparently just a really good act.

Less than half of that same population now support him, and that not wildly.