Rush Limbaugh to student wanting free contraceptives : prostitute.

[vindex]

I agree. Even when women get raped, they still have 100% control over it.

nice red herring. you're rhetorical skills are pathetic. don't tempt me to dice you up. i'm in the mood.

[kellyb]

Being anti-contraception is a sign of being backwards and intellectually stunted, so of course the arguments have to rely on mythology or other outlandish claims. They don't stand up without G_d propping them up.

I don't have a problem with arguments against paying for other people's contraception, though. I don't mind if insurance covers it, but I really don't care if it doesn't cover it, either.

I don't think it's the end of the world if they don't cover it, either (and putting on my tinfoil hat, social debates like these make me feel like we're being cynically played by the politicians, to be honest.)

I'm just not seeing any validity to the arguments against insurance companies covering it.

[BooRadley]

Pregnancy is a medical condition.

No it's not. It's magic. Jesus puts a baby in their tummy's, and if they're on birth control, they're murdering jesus's babies.

I think the idea is that married women who want contraception covered by insurance are just parasitic moochers.

I think they're supposed to just ask their husbands to take care of it for them.

a 30 year-old woman testifies before our lawmakers in regard to her contraceptive needs

"A full-time student testifies in regard to her insurance needs".

limbaugh makes some comical, sarcastic assertions about why her declared sexual behavior might cost so much.

"You're a whore!!" LOL OMG ROTFLMAO HTAT'S HILARIOUS! LOLOLOOOLOLOL. :finger:

why her declared sexual behavior might cost so much.

She didn't declare anything at all about her sexual behaviour, she declared something about her insurance needs. Rush and his dittoheads are declaring things about her sexual behaviour, which, by the way, is none of their fucking business.

an adult woman, in essence, going in front of a body of congress, to beg for funding

She's not begging for funding, she's paying for the insurance herself.

it's embarrassing. can the grown woman really not afford the minor expense of birth control?

You already said you know she's a student at Georgetown Law. Maybe you don't know that law school takes both time and money? It's not paid for by magic.

meanwhile, all the attention is further drawn away from the fact that neither the president, nor congress has any constitutional right to mandate that anyone in this country buy anything,

She's already paying for the insurance . . . Georgetown MANDATED that she has to.

the real issue with the current health care legislation debate, let alone the unconstitutionality of trying to dictate the nature of what private religious organizations provide in terms of health care coverage.

Insurance companies aren't private religious organizations.

the natural consequences of her sexual choices.

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is it not sad that simply abstaining from the activity she supposedly cannot afford is not one of her courses of action?

This is what it's really about, isn't it? You don't care at all about the OMG OUTRAGE of an insurance company providing medication, or about Jesus's magical babies, or about who's funding what, you just hate women who have sex . . . presumably because they don't do it with you.

It's not your job to tell her who to have sex with, when, how often, why, how. It's really not your business. And that's what it's all about with you: control. Isn't it?

She never mentioned anything about having sex, but it's all Rush had to talk about, all you have to talk about, all any of the other dittoheads here have to talk about. That's what it's about with you people.

[Lulu]

the argument does not have to be a or b. the argument is that she wants the support of the government in forcing a private religious institution to include this in the health care that the school provides...which is what i said before.

and the very fact that you declared lung cancer to be 100% preventable speaks volumes. acne, btw, might not be an "illness", but it is a very persistent and painful medical condition that generally has nothing to do with someone's behavior.

Rush's argument was she wanted taxpayers to pay for her meds. So I guess that was typical bs then?

[optimus]

nice red herring. you're rhetorical skills are pathetic. don't tempt me to dice you up. i'm in the mood.

You couldn't, and wouldn't, "dice" anything up. You're nothing but a right wing tool.

[kellyb]

Do the females here think that condoms for men should be covered as well? Sorry if this has already been covered, I'm way to lazy to read through this thread.

Only if men needed an rx for them. I'm fine with the standard of "over the counter" products (including tylenol, etc) not being covered.

[Zordar]

I'm just not seeing any validity to the arguments against insurance companies covering it.

It seems dumb, since a BC prescription is cheaper than a kid -- for the mother and the insurance company.

But like I said, if an insurance company doesn't feel like covering contraception or any other medical goodies/procedures and they are upfront about it, it really doesn't bother me.

[Lulu]

Do the females here think that condoms for men should be covered as well? Sorry if this has already been covered, I'm way to lazy to read through this thread.

No because it's over the counter and not by prescription. The only reason for pharmaceutical coverage is the cash pay can be outrageous which will make it unavailable. Condoms are always cheap and available.

I just checked my pill on drugstore.com. If I had to pay cash it would be $95/month. That seems a bit outrageous seen as I pay my insurance $1920/year.

[vindex]

Does anyone else find ALL of the anti-contraception-coverage arguments just... completely outlandish?

I'm usually pretty quick to admit when an issue is complex, and that various opposing views can all hold some degree of validity, but I'm just not seeing it here. Like, at all.

who on here has presented "anti-contraception" arguments? i'm not "anti-contraception"....i'm anti "government mandating things that are not in the realm of its prescribed authority". and obviously, the prez and congress reluctantly agree, because they provided an out for religious institutions....something i'm certain they were prepared to do all along in the event that their attack on the 1st amendment wasn't well-received.

[vindex]

Rush's argument was she wanted taxpayers to pay for her meds. So I guess that was typical bs then?

i'm not rush limbaugh. what does what you just typed have to do with my argument?

[kellyb]

Rush's argument was she wanted taxpayers to pay for her meds. So I guess that was typical bs then?

Rush was just kidding, Lulu.

Don't you crazy liberals have a sense of humor?

[kellyb]

who on here has presented "anti-contraception" arguments? i'm not "anti-contraception"....i'm anti "government mandating things that are not in the realm of its prescribed authority". and obviously, the prez and congress reluctantly agree, because they provided an out for religious institutions....something i'm certain they were prepared to do all along in the event that their attack on the 1st amendment wasn't well-received.

I said:

the anti-contraception-coverage arguments

[Lulu]

Rush was just kidding, Lulu.

Don't you crazy liberals have a sense of humor?

Oh yeah. I forgot. He was absurd to make fun of the absurdity of it all. Woops, looks like the first radio station has dumped him. And Peter Gabriel has told him not to use his music again.

[vindex]

You couldn't, and wouldn't, "dice" anything up. You're nothing but a right wing tool.

nice come back.

DA contributor: (insert logical, well-expressed argument)

optimus: you're stupid....no you are.....no, you're blah, blah, blah, blah,.....(picks nose...eats it......continues watching "how i met your mother"........adjusts jogging pants......wonders if people will have more respect for him when his post count breaks 15,000).

[optimus]

nice come back.

DA contributor: (insert logical, well-expressed argument)

optimus: you're stupid....no you are.....no, you're blah, blah, blah, blah,.....(picks nose...eats it......continues watching "how i met your mother"........adjusts jogging pants......wonders if people will have more respect for him when his post count breaks 15,000).

Yes, your asinine posts are "logical" and "well-expressed." Especially the part where you defended Rush Limbaugh. And the part where you said that pregnancy is the one area that women have 100% control over.

[BooRadley]

pregnancy is the one area that women have 100% control over.

Guys have no part in that. The women do it all by themselves.

[Freedom&Liberty]

No because it's over the counter and not by prescription. The only reason for pharmaceutical coverage is the cash pay can be outrageous which will make it unavailable. Condoms are always cheap and available.

I just checked my pill on drugstore.com. If I had to pay cash it would be $95/month. That seems a bit outrageous seen as I pay my insurance $1920/year.

We pay for car and home insurance and rarely, if ever make a claim. Why do you expect to get your money back for health insurance?

[BooRadley]

We pay for car and home insurance and rarely, if ever make a claim. Why do you expect to get your money back for health insurance?

So you're offended that they're not offering to quietly agree to being robbed?

[vindex]

Yes, your asinine posts are "logical" and "well-expressed." Especially the part where you defended Rush Limbaugh. And the part where you said that pregnancy is the one area that women have 100% control over.

please explain how, when not considering pregnancy due to forcible rape or incest, women do not have 100% control over becoming pregnant. has there been an epidemic of toilet-seat pregnancies that i have been unaware of?

[Sparkly Mary]

please explain how, when not considering pregnancy due to forcible rape or incest, women do not have 100% control over becoming pregnant. has there been an epidemic of toilet-seat pregnancies that i have been unaware of?

Men do, too. They can say no and not have sex. Doesn't matter how many women are willing to fuck his brains out, if he says no, then he's exercising 100% control.